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November Map Edits

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Nitpicks, Suggestions, and Maps:

Indisputable Edits:

Disputable Edits:

IdioticAnarchist (talk) 16:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Pekhon situation you listed as undisputed is 'disputed', see Operation_1111#Fighting_along_the_Karenni-Shan_Border_area. Have four sources, listed in linked section, saying two to three different things. I resolved this by adding all povs to the article stating who said what with refs. :) Kennet Mattfolk (talk) 21:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Updated with the following deviations/notes
Nitpicks:
  • UWSA/Thai issue is because border is not demarcated/UWSA is right on border on the other side- nothing we can show on the map
  • agreed on Kalewa
  • Male is not shown to be under PDF control
Indisputables:
  • Kyaukkyi, Thabeikkyin is already next to the frontline; modified frontline slight to match the Google War Maps's inclusion of bombing KIA troops in Twinge village
  • Ann article in Burmese talks about the battle to take the RMCHQ starting- no confirmed news yet AFAIK about it falling; Ann area updated based on other details in article
  • Zee Khon is the same as Chigon; also using Narinjara article on battle and advance stalling at Ywar Thit Gone to update Gwa advance to the Ah Lel Chaung (Ah lel stream)
  • "Kyaik Shwe" added- actually in Kyaik Ywe probably a typo in Burmese that got translated.
  • Paingpwe is at 21.9924'N 97.4241'E; reads as a raid rather than significant RCSS presence- area is already SSPP coded.
  • "PNO" added some territory to the PNA on the township border but could not locate the "main village" of Banmauk in the GAD pcodes or maps.
  • "areas around Inle Lake" is Thantaung. Given the joint nature of many operations, going to keep it as Junta control; see below.
Disputable:
  • Waingmaw not contested
  • PNA or "PYO" activity there and in all the other ones in Kalaw Township or just over the border into Nyaungshwe Township should be treated like Pyusawhti militias or the way we treat KIA/PDF joint north-Sagaing attacks
  • Pekon not secured by junta as per above from Kenneth
Other fixes by me:
  • Hopang -> Hopong in southern shan
  • Nyaungshwe moved north since it was far too south
  • Is there another svg that I can take from on wikimedia that has the lakes of Myanmar? It's probably relevant to put Moebye and Inle on there.
EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 22:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map mistake

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The source given for Khaunglaungphu's capture on the map doesn't say that the town itself has been captured, just that the "Lahu Se" militia camp within the township has been captured. Khaunglaungphu has not been captured. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 02:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh right, I corrected that. Borysk5 (talk) 20:30, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does Japan support Tatmadaw?

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Does Japan support the Tatmadaw? 93.70.114.163 (talk) 10:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any sources that say they do? If not, then probably no. LordOfWalruses (talk) 04:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mindat

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Hey guys I think Mindat has been captured 2400:AC40:627:7D10:6462:AF69:A98D:89C0 (talk) 12:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Typically we wait until the end of the month to add things to the map IdioticAnarchist (talk) 17:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But we can add it to the timeline right? 2400:AC40:627:8899:4958:F97F:677A:D307 (talk) 02:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely IdioticAnarchist (talk) 05:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map Edits (December)

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Nitpicks, Suggestions, and Maps:

Indisputable Edits:

Disputable Edits:

IdioticAnarchist (talk) 01:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Some specific responses to some of the suggestions
  • I don't know if there's enough info on Rohingya insurgents- especially after recent capture of the entire border. We have kind of the same issues generally on presenting the control as distinct lines in other places.
  • Mon groups should be split at this point. But it's hard to tell what's controlled by MNLA and what's controlled by the new group. Do you have any further information? If not I can probably go through the prior months and disambiguate them a bit.
  • Naming inconsistencies are kinda leftovers from earlier
Wa is labelled as Wa because, they have de facto and de jure control over Wa State- before they started taking more land. I think they should still be labelled as such because most of their expansion has been "diplomatically" and remain a neutral "foreign country" to both sides on the ground.
MNLA was just cuz it was NMSPAMD when they first split- I would rename that to the MLA (that new group) once we can figure out what is controlled by them and what is still MNLA.
  • DKBA is now KNA right? Right? I'm never sure with Karen groups- especially DKBA. The more you look at DKBA the more DKBAs show up. I'm inclined to either label them as joint with KNA or treat them like the Pyusawhti militias, but Karen.
  • RCSS does control those junta base areas in that source. I believe the mapping was based on IDP camps and RCSS functioning as quasi-junta allies in the area? That's what I remember at least from prior mapping months of UWSA-RCSS on the border.
Generally agree on the rest, I will go through them and apply them. Thanks as always and great job on collating all the information every month! EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 01:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Mon: To my knowledge, on the map, MLA control those pockets near Kawt Bein and Mudon, and the areas along the Union Highway 8; while MNLA control the rest.
- Karen: There appears to be 2 major groups labeled DKBA. The original Democratic Karen Buddhist Army reformed into the Karen BGF, then KNA. Then, there's the Democratic Karen Benevolent Army, an anti-junta breakaway currently in ceasefire (which is the subject of the article on Payathonzu).
- Thank you! IdioticAnarchist (talk) 03:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Karen: there are a lot of DKBA splinters I'm aware of peripherally. I think it'd be a bit unrepresentative to put DKBA in the map and then have to label it as anti-junta when groups of various allignments are using the same name. I don't doubt that there are anti-junta DKBA splinters- heck there's probably still an anti-God's Army DKBA splinter somewhere in Karen State. Do you have more articles about the Payathonzu DKBA? I can't really find any sources that DKBA even controls the area- and that bni article only talks broadly about the area.
I also want to just make sure I add that I'm critical of this particular one because we can't do WP:OR, but want to keep adding that you're very helpful with the map update tracking because I could say great job for every line item you put each month but it would get old fast. 03:19, 5 January 2025 (UTC) EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 03:19, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh no, I wasn't saying that the Democratic Karen Benevolent Army be shown as a separate entity on the map. They're already shown on the "KNLA and allies footnote" (despite them acting as a neutral entity; other neutral entities are grouped in with anti-junta groups on the map), I was just saying that Payathonzu should be shown as stable contested control between the junta and Karen groups. Here's a few more sources mentioning the DKBA in Payathonzu https://karennews.org/2024/12/nmsp-and-dkba-reach-checkpoint-agreement/ https://www.frontiermyanmar.net/en/south-for-the-winter-myanmars-cyber-scam-industry-migrates/
Thank you, I try my best. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 06:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Updated for 2024! Changes Notes:
New colours:
  • Mon Liberation Army (#86decc)
  • Danu forces (#c1e745)
All Indisputable Edits implemented with following notes:
  • Laungshae near Mindat isn't implied as junta controlled by article. Thigon near Mindat also not implied to be taken by anti-junta
  • Danu near Kyaukku and Ywanngan added as broadly "Danu forces" abbr. as just Danu on map
  • Lahesi Bum already controlled by KIA on prior map
  • KNU capture of Taung Thone Lone (akak three mountain) and Sin Swe not added- could not verify location of these based. There is a separate Three Mountains base in Kawkareik but the article says Papun
  • MLA also takes Microwave Base near Kanpauk, Tanintharyi Region
  • Expanded MNLA based on Mawkkanin article
  • KNA doesn't control Kya-in; they aren't hostile to the junta and can operate there. Additionally, Kya-in is not in Hlaingbwe Township so there's also ambiguity on what Kya-in is being talked about.
Other edits:
  • Mon Liberation Army (#86decc) split off from MNLA, MNLA renamed to army. Colours are mostly arbitrary open to suggestions
  • Tedim Stable control
  • Payathonzu in KNLA+allies stable contested control
  • KIA control near Tanai updated; northeast very roughly changed as no real sources on that area.
  • Reduced KIA control east of the Daknai camp, removed SSPP. More research needed on whether TNLA took over Hsenwi/Theinni from MNDAA.
  • PDF control east of Kalewa, also supported by their takeover of Aungchanthar acc. to this Source
  • PDF control west of Thabeikkyin reduced
  • Rakhine fronts updated based on substack
Other comment:
  • KTLA control is probably true- but it's unclear so I am electing to keep them grouped in with Junta and allies for now
Additional edits:
The following edits were already made by Borysk, notating here for future clarity:
  • Maungdaw / Ann / Gwa
  • Mindat/Kanpetlet
EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 21:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I saw you edited and made a Danu People's Liberation Army page. Just want to say the label on the map is for both DPLA and DSNDA- so I've tacked on a quick efn. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 20:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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