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Requested move (2013)

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Thomas “Tommy” Armstrong → Thomas "Tommy" Armstrong – curly quotation marks to straight ones. 96.232.126.27 (talk) 09:07, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The sources refer to him simply as Tommy Armstrong, so I think moving this article to Tommy Armstrong (performer) or something similar would be most appropriate. 84.92.117.93 (talk) 11:31, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support we use plain quotes, not unicoded ones -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 07:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support I support this move to the standard quotes. --DThomsen8 (talk) 18:11, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 29 August 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 17:16, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas "Tommy" Armstrong → Tommy Armstrong (singer) – several other Tommy Armstrongs and Thomas Armstrongs Joeykai (talk) 04:51, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Craig Lockard - 2010 "Tommy Armstrong (1849–1919) was one of the most famous song-makers who came out of the new industrial working class of Britain" In ictu oculi (talk) 07:21, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Further developing this article: proposal

Remove unverified statements. NB verify dod - some sources state 1919.
Dead urls in Refs and See also?
Develop description of context from writings of A. L. Lloyd and other folklorists.
Add cited quotes from eldest son W. H. Armstrong.
Add links to texts and tunes (as recommended/stipulated by T. Armstrong) in various compilations.
Further Notes per song.
Add section on Reception.
Look for newspaper articles of the time about T. Armstrong. Obits?
Possible section on Interpretation by singers, bands, etc.
Change descriptor in article title to (singer-songwriter)?
And...?

—Protalina (talk) 12:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed next steps

Add sample verse from a song per category (& song) identified by scholars:

domestic
workplace
disaster.

Add sections:

Reception
Interpretation

Compose & RS a para on cultural context as described by scholars. — Protalina (talk) 16:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment

This article is in really good shape. The LilyPond markups are impressive. However, I don't think they're necessary since Armstrong is not the composer of the tunes.

Armstrong on Armstrong shouldn't be a separate section. It's a great quote that adds color about his career. It seems like it should be in the body of the article with some context.

I also think the "Selected Songs" should be at the bottom of the article, the way works lists are for most writers. Trumpetrep (talk) 05:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Armstrong is not the composer of the tunes: but he did "direct" (as Lloyd puts it) the ones his songs should be sung to. In the most encyclopedic compilation I've found, "Polisses & Candymen" (Forbes (ed.), 1987), there are 29 songs, 18 of which are provided with such scores. They're congruent with the ones in Lloyd (1952) & (1964) and Palmer (1979). Choosing the tune from, largely, the folk-song song-bank, was part of Armstrong's compositional process. So I think the scores are a necessary part of the article, and should remain. What would be an improvement, though, is to use the LilyPond "fit words to scores" feature.

Armstrong on Armstrong: good idea. Perhaps in the section "Later life"?

"Selected songs": do you mean taking this outside of "Works" and placing it before (or after) "Memorials"?

— Protalina (talk) 06:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]