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Syrian flag

Why are we changing {{fb|SYR}} ( Syria) to {{fb|SYR|revolution}} ( Syria) in pages such as 2027 AFC Asian Cup qualification – third round? FIFA is still using the two-star flag on their website (similarly to FIFA not using the Taliban flag). If Afghanistan (in the same aforementioned qualification article) has the "old" flag, surely Syria should too. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, unless we know from sources that Syria want to use the "new government flag", it's WP:OR to change the flag. This is similar to Afghanistan, where most sports teams compete under the 2013 flag rather than the 2021 Taliban flag. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably worth noting that the Syrian Football Association has updated their logo and kit colors to reflect the green revolutionary flag. (source: https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/syrian-soccer-federation-changes-kit-colour-assad-toppled-2024-12-08/#:~:text=Dec%209%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20Rebels,logo%20from%20red%20to%20green.)

I would take that as credible knowledge that the sports teams are competing under the "new" flag moving forward, but will defer to the general consensus. gingerlines (talk) 15:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That seems clear to me that their national football team are actually using the new flag and so therefore so should we. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In case we decide to use the new flag, we should update {{fb|SYR}} to display

Syria, without having to add the "revolution" parameter. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 18:47, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it should be the default. Any idea how we do this? Giant Snowman 19:08, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change the flag variant data ({{Country data Syria}}), but before doing so this all the historic uses of the template should be changed. Spike 'em (talk) 19:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And there are discussions there to switch to the new flag as default, but it needs the groundwork to switch previous usage to the old flag. Spike 'em (talk) 12:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All historical articles first should be updated with the 1980 flag variant. However, as mentioned above, Afghanistan still compete under their previous flag. Therefore, wouldn't it be better to wait a few months until it is clear what flag they will compete under in their next international matches? S.A. Julio (talk) 12:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Talk:Syria#Flag discussions. Giant Snowman 11:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox football biography - Footballer full names

I've come across some footballer articles that list full names which are the same as article title (e.g. Vladimír Coufal), but I'm starting to believe those to be unnecessary even if they are sourced. As with the regular {{Infobox person}} template, should we just list full names of footballers if different from article title apart from being sourced? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

but I'm starting to believe those to be unnecessary even if they are sourced. Why? If we can verify that a subject's name isn't longer than their article title and WP:COMMONNAME, that's good, I think. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Robby - if we can source the full name, that should be included, even if it is the same as the article name. Giant Snowman 11:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FIFA Arab Cup

Hi, I don't understand why this edit [1] ? Regards. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe ask the editor who made the edit? Giant Snowman 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We await the editor's response on this page. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 15:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any reason to think that they'd be reading this page, as you've not posted anything on their talk? Spike 'em (talk) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because you think the problem is talking about it on their page ? I think the problem is the modification that was made. But it doesn't matter, I made a comment on the article's talk page. regards. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 16:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the editor does not have this page or the article page on their watchlist, they will not know about your question. You may want to ping them or talk to them at their talk page. Kante4 (talk) 16:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The editor in question has made hundreds of housekeeping-style edits over the last few days to articles on an extremely broad range of subjects. There is nothing to indicate that they have a particular interest in that article or even in football in general, so I think it is highly unlikely they will see the message either here or on the article's talk page. @Faycal.09: I really think if you want an answer you need to post on the talk page of the editor in question..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's allright, I posted a message in the talk page of the user. I don't know what you think, however for me, this edit is not appropriate. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 17:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is solved, thanks for all. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 08:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 FIFA Intercontinental Cup

This article is just a copy of the 2024 edition, held less then a month ago. Too early. And sources used are the same. Not possible. Island92 (talk) 15:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stop inventing and jumping the gun. Island92 (talk) 15:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect removed. Island92 (talk) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst I agree with the restoration of the redirect, this was not a copy of the 2024 article. Giant Snowman 15:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On average the style used was the same. Sources were the same. Tables and tournaments name related to 2025, just normal this. The rest was a copy. Island92 (talk) 15:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the style should be the same across similar articles, that is the whole point of our numerous Manuals of Style. Giant Snowman 15:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

African Nations Championship

Do appearances in the African Nations Championship count as senior national team appearances? For what national team should we attribute those appearances on player articles? Some nations don't have an A' or B team article to which those appearances can be attributed to. It's just commonly displayed as the main national team itself. Example, the Ivory Coast national football team competed in the 2022 African Nations Championship, but for Patrick Ouotro, which I am currently making, I don't know whether I should list those appearances as senior Ivory Coast appearances or as Ivory Coast A' or Ivory Coast B appearances. Unclear.
Note: I just saw on the Algeria A' article in French here that "FIFA counts these appearances as first team international appearances and does not distinguish between the first team and the A' team." Thoughts or input? Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From the 2014 tournament, they count as full international matches.[2] Hack (talk) 01:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing at FIFA World Cup awards

Hi folks. Today I noticed that much of the sourcing at FIFA World Cup awards refers to threads on a forum called "BigSoccer". We don't usually consider forum threads WP:reliable sources so I'm almost ready to remove them and replace them by "citation needed" tags.

However, at least some of the forum threads contain images of football magazines which might verify the content the inline references are supposed the verify. Then again, it appears to be impossible to open larger and readable versions of the images if one is not signed up and logged in to the forum.

What to do? Pinging @DAlexxXD: who made many of the additions. Robby.is.on (talk) 20:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All citations from BigSoccer had the pictures of magazines. Some of the pictures have disappeared from the website now and I don't really know if there's anything to do about it. I'm aware of this issue, but there's really no way to fix it, but all of them had 2001:14BB:66B:7C8E:0:0:4889:5101 (talk) 20:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We should be citing those magazines in any case, not a forum where the info might be from them. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation in Titles of Footballers

NOTICE: This discussion was originally created as a discussion on January 2nd. However, after upon further discussion, it was realized that this is more than two page problem and affects multiple pages.

As it currently stands, the naming conventions for footballers who have the same name but were born in different years are supposed to be disambiguated as (footballer, born (year)) in the title.

However, this contradicts with Wikipedia’s policy of maintaining an encyclopedia tone. This naming convention is weird and could be handled in an alternative way while being as concise and precise. This caveat for naming disambiguation is weird and could be handled differently in a way that is similar to the pages of royalty when there are multiple people of the same name.

The way the royalty project handles it is that they do the (born year-death year). Although different from the royalty wikiproject as it is relating to soccer players, it would be much more encyclopedic to do (footballer, birth date-death date), while also simultaneously having it as (born year) if the footballer isn’t dead. What are your thoughts on this?

Another alternative is to do positions such as if they are a different nationality and position, or id they are the same nationality but different positions. If there were two of the same positions and nationalty, I can see the years being applied but if that doesn’t occur.

For example: John Neal (English forward) and John Neal (English defender).

If that wasn’t possible then I could see this being used:

John Neal (English forward, 1955-1999) John Neal (English forward, born 1999)

I suppose I am trying to establish, does the year trump the position naming convention or should the position and nationality naming convention trump the year convention? Reader of Information (talk) 18:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On what basis does a long and well established naming convention, used in literally tens of thousands of articles, "contradict with Wikipedia's policy of maintaining an encyclopedia [sic] tone"? Footballers aren't royalty, even if they do get paid like them... Giant Snowman 19:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention that positions aren't fixed. I can think of any number of footballers who (a) there would be a huge argument about their main position, and/or (b) played at multiple positions during their career. Date of birth is fixed and unambiguous. Black Kite (talk) 19:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]