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Aaliyah and George Harrison

I have added a trivia section and have mentioned the fact that Aaliyah and George Harrison had back to back #1 hits in the UK after they died.

This fact has also been added to the article about George.

- Rico

The plane crash that killed her occurred when she was returning from shooting a music video for "Rock the Boat," the album's second single

What album are we talking about here? AxelBoldt 22:20 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Her third, self-titled album Aaliyah. Alensha 19:53, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Pronounciation of Aaliyah's name

Aaliyah said that her name is to be pronounced "as if you were going to say (Muhhammad) Ali, but put a "liyah" on the end," hence "AH-lee-ah." But many (including Missy Elliott pronounce her name "uh-LEE-yah." I was going to add a pronunciation bit to the article, but I am not sure if it's neccessary. --b. Touch 08:10, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Copyedit notice removed

I have corrected the article's grammatical and syntactical errors and removed the copyedit notice.--Logician 14:19, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Neutral viewpoint

Would this article be quite so gushing if she hadn't died in a plane crash? I realise that it's standard practice to disregard the "neutral viewpoint" when waxing lyrical about mediocre celebrities, but this article is ridiculous. Not everyone thought she was great, and the article should reflect that. Unsigned comment by User:Agentsoo.

The article doesn't at all gush about Aaliyah, and even during her lifetime she was not considered "mediocre"; she was a popular and respected R&B artist. The text about the effects of her deth could be toned down a bit, but otherwise the article sticks to facts. --FuriousFreddy 14:16, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
"Not considered mediocre" by who? Isn't the point of neutral viewpoint to avoid these kind of debates? If some points of the article were rephrased as "Her fans consider..." or something similar then I'd be quite happy. Unsigned comment by User:Agentsoo.
"Not considered mediocre" based on reviews of her albums. Nowhere in the article is she mentioned as being "mediocre" or "exceptionally talented". The article doesn't need to explicitely state that "not everyone thought she was great". I, and a number of other people, don't think Elvis or The Beatles were all that great, but that doesn't need to be reflected in their articles. Granted, this article on Aaliyah did gush a bit when discussing her death (I didn't recall it being so POV), so I did go ahead and tone it down. And, please, sign your comments using this code: "--~~~~" --FuriousFreddy 15:24, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Aaliyah was the youngest FEMALE to perform at the Oscars

Again, I'm gonna have to correct you. Because earlier it said "First African-American" as well as "youngest", and I had to change the "First African-American" because Michael Jackson was the first WAY back in the '70s. He was also the youngest at 14 (not yet 15) when he performed "Ben", which was nominated for a Grammy, in 1973. But as of young in terms of female entertainers, yeah, she was, I think 18 or 19, when she did what she did when she performed. -- Posted by BrothaTimothy, 12:57 a.m. (UTC)

Aaliyah's Controversy?

This entry seems like little more than a fan page. Why is there no mention of her illegal marriage to R. Kelly and its subsequent annulment, or the controversy behind the release of "Queen of the Damned," a film so bad it was shelved until her death, when it is said the producers saw a chance to make money off of her sudden burst in popularity?

And article on the R. Kelly marriage:

http://www.cwfa.org/articles/2039/CWA/pornography/index.htm

--MightyAtom 02:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Details of her death?

There is virtually no mention of her death in this article. Even the birth date area doesn't contain information about her death. 128.195.75.51 01:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Did she really marry R Kelly?

I thought this was just a joke? Can anyone show a link that proves this? The Mayor 20:36, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok well can any body actually prove it or not if so givez me a holla at rEcKoNiSe_Me@hotmail.com thanxz

She was married to him according to the marriage certificate but this marriage was hardly legal as she lied about her age on the certificate

NO SHE DID NOT MARRY HIM!!!!!! KJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.75.229 (talk) 20:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

The Matrix

It says something about her being in the Second and Third matrix movies... But doesn't mention that at all anywhere in the actual article, nor what part she played. I'm going to delete that, as I see no need for it. Otherwise, It's a bit sloppy. 216.250.13.84 18:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

See here, which lists all of her could-have-been film credits - including both of the later Matrix films. The only reason she wasn't in the Matrix movies was apparently due to fact that, well, she died.

A6

When did she hit an A6

point of view

does any one else think that the article fails to demonstrate a nutural point of view? There seems to be an awful lot of adjectives rather than fact. i've tweaked the article slightly i trust everyone is ok with this.

I Think so as well, I am a big fan but someone needs to re-do this whole article all over again and make it better.

I totally agree. As it stands it's a disgrace to her memory, it's like a bunch of facts, triva and opinions thrown together to recreate who she was - it's really poorly done. 124.182.118.132 20:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I have tried to remove a lot of the stuff that shouldn't be in it. John Hayestalk 14:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I've made a change in one of the sections that required a citation. It turns out that the sentence was not neutral, thus I removed it. This may qualify it to be placed out of Citation needed status for the entire article Ishmael Rufus (talk) 18:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Question moved from article page

Why was she in a hurry to get back to Florida? Her pilot had a questionble record.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.229.141.10 (talk • contribs).

That statement and that question are two very different issues, actually. First - I'm guessing that the record company (or whoever) did not not realize that the pilot was so questionable; after all, he misreported his flight training to get his jobs, and the job he was fired from he was only fired from a few hours before the flight commenced, which they very easily could not have found out about in time. It basically sounds like he may have just lied like a rug for most of his career as a pilot, really - I'm guessing he made no exceptions when it came to doing so to clients. Also, contrary to initial reports, Aaliyah and her fellow passengers were apparently NOT informed of any potential issues with the bagged being overweight, which contributed to the crash.
As for "why was she in a hurry to get back", she was apparently very busy at the time, it was probably just a scheduling thing. You'll find that while an artist may sometimes have a lot of sway about their schedules, though, they usually are NOT the ones who make their own travel arrangements, so Aaliyah wouldn't have been the one who took care of that, let alone chose the pilot. And she certainly might not have realized anything about the luggage being too much weight for the plane to take, something nobody informed the passengers of, despite the fact that judging from quotes that came afterward, there's no way any sane pilot would allow that much luggage weight to be taken on at the same time as that many passengers. - (User:Runa27, not logged in)

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. ---J.S (t|c) 07:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Posthumous UK #1

Contrary to this article, I thought the first artist to achieve a posthumous UK #1 single was Buddy Holly in 1959 with "It Doesn't Matter Anymore". Can anyone confirm this? 192.91.191.29 11:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Confirmed.

That is no fair my cousin loved aleyah and look what happend. Iv'e got neve.

'Fair use' of album covers

The album cover fair use template clearly states,

"This image is of a cover of an audio recording, and the copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher of the album or the artist(s) which produced the recording or cover artwork in question. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of such covers
  • solely to illustrate the audio recording in question,
  • on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law.
Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. See Wikipedia:Fair use for more information."

'Fair use' of album covers does not extend to use of such images to identify a performer or illustrate an article about a performer. For more information on 'fair use', please see the policy at Wikipedia:Fair use. -- Donald Albury 18:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Unsourced statements - stick to the facts please.

There are a number of unsourced statements tagged as citation needed. Some of these are worded as subjective statements, which have no place in an objective encyclopedia. Even worse, there are subjective statements written as if they are objective facts. Please find sources and reword as appropriate, or remove the statements which cannot be sourced. - Stephanie Daugherty (Triona) - Talk - Comment - 15:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Singles Chart Positions

I highly doubt that Try Again reached #1 in every country, could someone please try to find her real chart data? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.157.184.66 (talk) 14:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

Excess image

File:001116.jpg

What can we do with this image? QuasyBoy 15:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Not True

aaliyah did not reach number 1 in the uk 4 or 5 times - FACT, she reached number 1 with more than a woman and thats it!!!! sum1 fix it??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.40.19.24 (talk • contribs) 11:57, March 9, 2007.

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. --ElKevbo 17:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Fixed this in accordance with [1]. However, various other information from the same table looks suspicious in my opinion. Cloudz679 04:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Damon Dash

Why doesn't this page say anything about Aaliyah's relationship with Damon Dash? According to Dash's page here at Wikipedia he was engaged to her until her death. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 15.203.137.72 (talk) 07:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

First Posthumous Number 1 in UK?

I removed the sentence that stated this. Seven people had done it prior to Aaliyah: Buddy Holly (1959), Jim Reeves (1966), Jimi Hendrix (1970), Elvis Presley (1977), John Lennon (3 times in 1980-81), Jackie Wilson (1986), Freddie Mercury (with Queen 1991 and solo 1993).

Trivia section

I removed the quotes section that was added without an edit summary. The trivia section is overloaded with information that doesn't seem too encyclopedic. Some of it is just a repeat of information already in the article. Is it possible to trim it down or eliminate it. Seeking a concensus.--John Lake 18:29, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The Aaliyah Article

The Article of the beloved Aaliyah should be left up to AALIYAH.COM because there is too much vandalizing and false rumors, statements, etc. She is The Queen of Urban Pop and The Princess of Hip-Hop Soul. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.140.150 (talk) 00:46, 17 June, 2007

Any article on Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. You cannot restrict access to that website only. There are established practices on how to combat vandalism. John Hayestalk 12:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The whole article needs to be rewritten. As it stands, it's messy and poorly written. The entry should be written like a timeline i.e Birth, Rise to fame, Marriage, Music releases, death; like a time line. I have to say this is one of the hardest-to-follow entries I've read. There is dismal mention of her actual death, her marriage or her life. Most of the page is consumed by every tiny detail about her albums/singles - it's excessive and not necessary. There doesn't need to be a picture of every album or single either. 124.182.118.132 19:59, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Lyrical Dedications

I think it's important to note that there has been many a lyrical dedication to Aaliyah but why the need to list every artist and every lyric about her? Personally I find that it makes the article look messy. Does anyone have any suggestions about how to shorten it, or better yet completely re-edit that section? 124.182.118.132 19:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest to completely remove it. None of these are sourced, this can never be a complete list, and really isn't encylopeadic, or relevant to an article on Aaliyah. One line in another section to note that there had been lyrical dedications would do John Hayestalk 12:22, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
As no-one has objected tou our suggestion I will remove it. John Hayestalk 13:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the problem with adding a "Fans" section

When her fans meant so much to her and everybody keeps on reverting the changes I have made. This is Aaliyah's page not yours. I am adding these facts I got from her official website but people keep reverting them. She loved her fans and they should be recognized. From the information I have, Krystal R. G. Is her biggest fan. I love Aaliyah also and would like to respect her by telling the truth. People keep deleting it like I am lying. Watch some of her YouTube videos or go on her official website and you will see. I don't think its fair that you all keep fighting the "Fans" like its the plague. She considers us her extended family. If this page isn't going to represent AALIYAH, it should be deleted. I'm going to fight until it does!!!! Have a nice day —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaliyahsnumber1fan (talk • contribs) 12:34, July 15, 2007

Please review the core policies that guide and govern articles and content in this encyclopedia, particularly verifiability, neutral point of view, and our prohibition against original research. Your additions seem, to me, to violate all three of those policies. Please remember that this is an encyclopedia article, not a fan page.
In addition, please remember to add new comments to the bottom of Talk pages and sign your posts. --ElKevbo 16:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I understand all that but if you were a HARDCORE fan of Aaliyah, then you would know how much she loved her fans and how much we meant to her. If you are going to have and article on Aaliyah about her life and times, then ALL of her should be included. There is no excuse. I have proof that Krystal is her biggest fan. There is a link on Aaliyah's official website. Aaliyah would have wanted her fans to be in this article. I know that this is not a fan page but once again if you are going to make an article on Aaliyah her fans must be included. Whether you think it is proper or not, the fact is, Aaliyah would not have been famous without the support of her fans. So when you keep skipping over the fact that her fans were a key factor in her success, you are not telling the whole story. A part of the reason her name is still around is her fans.

Have a nice day (Aaliyahsnumber1fan 17:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC))

On Wikipedia we don't write for a "HARDCORE fan of Aaliyah", but for people who, we have to assume, know nothing about the subject and want to learn about it. John Hayestalk 19:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

That has been made obvious by the number of reverts...haha...=)...cool

(Aaliyahsnumber1fan 17:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC))

This is wikipedia, not imaaliyahsbiggestfan4ever. I'm quoting you when you say "this is Aaliyah's page not yours", it is and as such it is not a fansite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.168.208.246 (talk) 16:08, July 19, 2007

Thanks for quoting me but now I'm going to quote myself: "That has been made obvious by the number of reverts...haha...=)...cool"

"it is and as such it is not a fansite." Never said it was, I just made a suggestion for a fans section and not a fan article so that comment was not needed. If I thought it was a fansite I would have made and article called "Aaliyah's Fans" but I never did that.

"This is wikipedia, not imaaliyahsbiggestfan4ever."

Oops, my mistake. You see I can't read so I didn't know that. Thanks for pointing that out "Anonymous" O_o. Anyway, I know that and its been mentioned before, why did you feel the need to mention it again? [oneLOVE]

(Aaliyahsnumber1fan 11:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC))

Discography and Music

The 'Music Section' is scattered with information that is already contained within the Discography lower down on the page. Does anyone think the articles presentation would appear neater if all the random numbers were removed from the 'Music' section but remained in the 'Discography'? Perhaps in the Music section it could be noted that certain songs became number one, but I feel it's unecesary for there to be so many numbers within those sections when it's clearly listed in the 'Discography'. Myoutbackshed 20:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. John Hayestalk 17:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Personal life

What about the marriage to R. Kelly ? Other relationships ? -- Beardo 04:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Great point.

Even when the 'alleged' relationship with R.Kelly is put into the wikipedia entry, Aaliyah's fans (who are clearly not demonstrating a NPOV) delete the entry. There have been many occasions where the information was sourced - but yet it was still deleted. Go figure. A point has also been raised that Aaliyah was engaged up until her death, yet no mention of that either! Myoutbackshed 17:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Name etymology--sources please

Can we get some source on her name's etymology for the article? If Aaliyah said that her name was of Arabic origin, in which interview was it? Robert K S 17:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

There have been countless times when Aaliyah mentioned that her name is of Arabic orgin. There is an interview on her "I Care 4 U" special edition DVD where she says it. You can look up the name "Aaliyah" or "Aliyah" on GOOGLE and it will show you that her name is of Arabic orgin. You could even go to Ask.com and find that out. (Aaliyahsnumber1fan 11:28, 2 September 2007 (UTC)) [P E A C E out]
That is WP:OR we need a properly cited source. John Hayestalk 12:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

So common knowledge..learn to use Google! It's really not that hard! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raaliyahent01 (talk • contribs) 05:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

i think thet ppl should put how she died in here!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.170.12.106 (talk) 23:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Should it be change to suit the new standard one. Caribbean1 13:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

"Designed to fly over their rated weight limit?"

Tagged this statement: "Planes are designed to fly significantly over their rated weight limit..." Then why is it called a "limit"? The NTSB report that is cited states that "...the total gross weight of the airplane was substantially exceeded." This appears to be a contributing factor to the crash, not something that is allowable. The other factor, as the article states, is that "... the center of gravity was significantly outside the flight envelope past the aft center of gravity." I. e., weight too far to the rear. If there is not a source for the statement about planes being designed to fly above their rated weight limit, that part should be removed and changed to reflect the report. I'm waiting to make that change in case the editor who made this statement has some support for it. Unimaginative Username 04:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Changed. Unimaginative Username (talk) 01:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Death

Question, if I may - the article, under "Death" states that:

"She died at 6:50 PM and was also born at 6:50 PM"

Aaliyah death Cleared up?

I fixed the death section the thing is it is unclear weather the plane took of at 6:45 or 6:50 this is odd because since she died at 6:50 how can the plane rise 70m up and fall in a minute? It might of happened but it is still unclear. I find it shocking and wierd that she died the same time she was born....Also I have herd that she didnt die of her injuries but of severe shock. Is any truth to this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulja nyn3 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The "official" time is 6:59 p.m. (Bahamian time) Check out Aaliyah.com it is in the opening sentence. (9:54 pm)

Aaliyah Rumors

I think that there should be a section for this, but only if they can be sourced. I think it is important to not only to Aaliyah's fans but also to other people. It is important for people to know the "facts", be they rumors or not;if they are out there, we should know(whether they end up being true or not.) What do you guys think?(And be nice I'm only SUGGESTING this.) I may start it if I feel it is valid, and I WILL source them. I have read many, many rumors about her, some which have been proven true to date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raaliyahent01 (talk • contribs) 05:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Nope. Wikipedia isn't a spect-o-pedia. miranda 18:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Years Active

It says years active "1992-present"...erm...she's not alive so how could she still be active or does it refer to her records still being sold?!86.40.220.231 (talk) 17:33, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

ok i see it's been changed..thanks (sorry didn't have an account when i asked that question so that's why it wasn't signed)Nisior (talk) 17:05, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Audio Samples

We need some audio samples on Aaliyah.You don't have any of them.You should get We Need A Resolution,More Than A Woman,Rock The Boat,Are You That Somebody?,One In A Million,and Back & Forth.Please,take this into mind.Thankyou!!! Marexl (talk) 19:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Official Movie?

Is there any reason to have a section on the (alleged) movie right now? It seems to be nothing but a string of speculation and uncited rumors. —C.Fred (talk) 20:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

IT DOESNT MATTER WHETHER A SECTION WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE LEGEND'S ARTICLE AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE THESE ARE TRUE ALLEGATIONS BUT NOTHING IS FINALIZED EXCEPT FOR THE PERSON WHO WILL BE PORTRAYING OUR STAR SO YES A "MOVIE" SECTION WILL POP UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE BUT WE WILL BE HAPPY TO SEE MORE UPDATES...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.130.223.166 (talk) 18:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

CAN I ASK WHY IS THIS 'C. FRED' DUDE ALL OVER BABY GIRL'S ARTICLE LIKE IF HE'S A FAN??????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.38.132.137 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

This is one of a number of articles that I've got on my watchlist. It's been a target of vandalism in the past, plus all the rumours flying around, means I keep an eye on it. There's probably a number of other editors who do the same thing. —C.Fred (talk) 03:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

correction needed

I noticed in the "musical style" section it said "Stephen Thomas Erlewine of Allmusic described her eponymous album, Aaliyah, as not only "a statement of maturity and a stunning artistic leap forward", but also one of the strongest urban soul records of the 1990s". Aaliyah's eponymous album Aaliyah was released in the 2000's not 1990's so please change that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.59.108.191 (talk) 05:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

 Done. — Σxplicit 06:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Chronology

I recently made this edit[2] which separated the paragraphs about Aaliyah's death from her career, and it was reverted with the direction to discuss it here. So I am doing just that. I understand the reasons for keeping the article chronological, but I think the headings are even more important, with the chronology maintained within the sections. Otherwise, someone trying to find out about her death has to look in an unlikely place. The plane crash, and the subsequent lawsuit, are not part of her career and shouldn't be listed as such. I used the following articles as examples: Freddie Mercury - Herb Brooks - Cory Lidle; all are famous personalities who died prematurely, and all have separate circumstances surrounding their death. I do believe it is appropriate to add a sentence to the top stating that "Aaliyah was killed in an airplane crash on ....", so the career section that follows is better in perspective. I know I haven't edited this article before, and respect others who have contributed a lot to it, so I won't revert and start an edit-war; but I do feel strongly about my article structure. Please state whether you agree or disagree with me, and why. -Sme3 (talk) 00:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I don't feel this format makes much sense, in a chronological sense. For example, it wouldn't make much sense to start the lead about Aaliyah's death, followed by her career. Looking over the article, having her death under "Career" is a bit strange. I think I can compromise, though. We can do something similar to your edit, with some altercations; moving the "2002–2005: Posthumous recognition" section under the "Death" section and rename it "Posthumous success" or something similar, and expand the "2001: Eponymous album" section. What do you think? — Σxplicit 03:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I think what you're saying makes perfect sense. I suppose a big flaw in my edit, having a career span past the time of death, is just as odd as death being another phase in a career. Would you like to make the edits, since you're clearly more familiar with the subject matter, or should I? -Sme3 (talk) 12:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I suppose I'll do it, considering the section about her eponymous album needs a bit of an expansion. Unless you're up for the workload. — Σxplicit 19:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I think you've done an excellent job with it. I was lead here by clicking links through some other articles and noticed the awkward structure, but you clearly know more about the content. Thanks! -Sme3 (talk) 03:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem. Thanks for pointing out the problem. — Σxplicit 03:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Aaliyah

Do we really need to have this:

"Aaliyah Dana Haughton[1] (January 16, 1979 – August 25, 2001), better known as Aaliyah "

In the article? I hardly think it's significant or unique for someone to be better known by their first name... I'm going to delete the "better known as Aaliyah" part unless someone can come up with a reason for it to be there Pyrotics (talk) 06:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, it was her "stage name"; on her records it simply said "Aaliyah". I don't see why "better known as Aaliyah" doesn't make sense to you. Or maybe it should be "known simply as Aaliyah" ?213.118.75.120 (talk) 01:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. FACT: Aaliyah Dana Haughton - was her full name. FACT: She was better known as Aaliyah. This is a perfectly fine article with correct information. Nothing wrong with the article. Mz magnetik (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

GA status?

For most articles about contemp. R&B this is a pretty well-researched and comprehensive article. I'd nominate it for GA but first wonder if there's still any hurdles to be jumped. --Andrewlp1991 (talk)

I'm currently working on taking it to WP:GAN, but I feel the 'Legacy' section is a bit… short. I'm working on expanding that section; should be ready after that. — Σxplicit 20:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

R.Kelly Thing

Ok.Everybody thinks that Aaliyah and R.Kelly were married but they both said they didn't right?Well they actually were married but divorced because...well I don't know really why.I think it was because of that rumor. Marexl (talk) 19:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

They both claimed the rumors to be false but Vibe magazine shows the marriage license on which Aaliayah faked her age to be 18 when in reality she was 15 or 16. So if someone could verify the validity of the documents from Vibe that would determine the validity of the rumor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.34.246.81 (talk) 13:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

In the early years section, it says that she appeared on Star Search at the age of 10 in 1991. However, Aaliyah would have been 12 in 1991, not 10. Is the year wrong, or her age wrong? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.179.124 (talk) 23:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

What happened to the music section its gone someone needs to put that back up there with pics. They need to put up here about Aaliyah's Recital Hall. The new Detroit School of the Arts, a magnificent building built known for it's high academic standards and performing arts has renamed the Recital Hall after Aaliyah in honor of her memory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.14.226.208 (talk) 00:06, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Aaliyah was born in January of 1979 so unless her birthday had yet to pass she was 12 in 1991. Perhaps she did Start Search in 1989? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.34.246.81 (talk) 14:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

NA Categories

The categories that should be added are not categories that are specific for people of partial heritage nor are they exclusive to those of full descent. It makes no sense why they are not in the article.Mcelite (talk) 04:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)04:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The are categories related to her heritage. Per WP:Naming conventions (categories)#Heritage, which is a guideline, "Heritage categories should not be used to record people based on deduction, inference, residence, surname, nor any partial derivation from one or more ancestors."[emphasis added] Since Aaliyah is only partially Native American, those categories should not be applied for her. —C.Fred (talk) 04:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
That makes no sense then if that's the case then the African American categories also should not be used. This does not hold a strong case as to why those cats can't be used that is her heritage.Mcelite (talk) 03:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I recently noticed you had added one of the categories back (at a sneaky manner at that, considering the original edit didn't remove the category as it wasn't there). Again, people are not categorized by partial derivations, as explained above. For the record, this article does not contain any African American categories—those were removed as well when I removed the Native American categories. — Σxplicit 20:49, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I still largely disagree with that. By blood she rightfully belongs to those categories despite not being full blooded. Those categories were not created to solely included people whom are full blooded. If they were to only include full bloods those categories would surely almost not exist.Mcelite (talk) 23:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Sales

HER RECORD SALES ARE WRONG —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dboy4100 (talk • contribs) 03:06, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

We've got sources saying contradictory things. At the discography article, two sources say over 24 million. The TV One Access clip says nearly 32 million. —C.Fred (talk) 03:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I would like to point out that using YouTube as a source, specifically this copyrighted clip, is in violation of WP:YT. As for the contradiction, the source that was used prior to YouTube claims that Aaliyah sold 24 records (records, in this case, meaning a combination of album sales, single sales, etc.; also, emphasis on records, which I misread as meaning albums when I first added this reference). I wouldn't be against using a published reliable source backing up this claim. — Σxplicit 04:06, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
On the one hand, I agree that the link should not be preserved in the reference. I mainly left it in as a linking point to show what the link actually was. If we knew the date that program aired, we could just include that as the reference and remove the link. That said, I agree that a printed source would be much easier to verify and is probably the preferable source in this case, provided it's current. —C.Fred (talk) 16:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Personally, I find it hard to believe Aaliyah sold 32 million albums worldwide when she only sold 8.1 million in the United States (granted, that number may be out of date, but it couldn't have sky-rocketed since then) and 24 million records seems far more plausible. I'd like also like to point out that in the video, they claim Aaliyah was signed at age 14, when in reality, she was signed at 12. This makes me question the reliability of the entire video. — Σxplicit 18:25, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't there some confusion about her age at various points in her life anyway? However, you have a point about the reliability of the source. Based on that, I support a revert to the 24 figure. —C.Fred (talk) 18:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I haven't found any conflicting sources about that aside from the video. Will revert back to 24 million records shortly. — Σxplicit 18:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

that makes sense.. anywho, why arent there any cited sources of Aaliyah's Worldwide sales for her albums? does anyobdy know? I read somewhere a while ago that One In a Million sold 8 million worldwide since 1997, but I need more proof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dboy4100 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I did some pretty heavy research on Aaliyah while writing the article, and I can't say I came across anything that mentioned those figures for One in a Million. If you happen to come across a source that mentions this, we could give it a look . — Σxplicit 00:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

why did you use this link http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2001/aug/27/guardianobituaries.carolinesullivan as a source to the sales of One In A Million? this article never stated the sales of the album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dboy4100 (talk • contribs) 05:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

The Guardian verifies that One in a Million sold two million copies: The gap between One In A Million and Aaliyah, her latest album, cost her sales. The former sold two million, but despite contributions… Also, I'm mistaken above; the album did sell over eight million worldwide (it's even in the article!), which can be verified here. — Σxplicit 05:53, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

pls cite how aaliayah redefined rb/hipHop music

In the end sentence of he intro/lead, it says aaliyah redefined RB/hipHop music. Please cit this. I love Aaliyah's music but we need to stop overstating importance of singers(some stans feel beyonce is iconic..wtf!), even when they're dead. King Michael Jackson (RIP) is the sole artist who deserves all his accolades bc truly he changed not just music & video, but culture(views/aceptance on AfrAm; dress, dancing, hair, etc). & Madonna too when she dies will be desrving of compliments.
Back on topic: pls cite an article or music professional who says Aa redefined music. Thanks. 70.108.115.212 (talk) 17:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Read the rest of the article. It is cited in the Legacy section. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 18:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

when & y was this page locked?

When & why is this page locked? How are we supposed to edit? 70.108.115.212 (talk) 17:22, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

If an edit needs made, discuss it here, and an experienced (non-new, registered) editor can make the change. Anonymous/new users were vandalizing the page excessively, and that's why it was protected. See the template I've just added to the top of the article that explains it. — C.Fred (talk) 17:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

QUOTE: an experienced (non-new, registered) editor . LOL @ that. Many non-new registered editors mess up wiki. 70.108.115.212 (talk) 17:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I've reduced the tag to a small padlock, it was too distracting. — Σxplicit 19:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Crash section needs a copy edit for clarity

The end of the first paragraph of the crash section reads: The crew had a flight scheduled the following day, but Aaliyah and her entourage were eager to return to the United States due to the filming finishing early, so they demanded that their heavy equipment be loaded on the plane rather than left behind. It resulted in the aircraft being well beyond the standard weight and balance tolerance provided by Cessna.

This is confusing and doesn't seem to quite makes sense. Is "the crew" the video production crew or the crew of the airplane? They were eager to return, so they demanded their equipment be put aboard? The use of the word so (instead of and) suggests that loading the equipment was necessary for them to return? Why? Couldn't they have left without it?

I think the passage in question is trying to say something like this: The production crew was scheduled on a flight leaving the Bahamas the following day. However, with filming finishing early, Aaliyah and her entourage were eager to return to the United States, and made the decision to leave immediately by chartering a private plane. Reportedly, they demanded that their heavy equipment also be loaded onto the chartered plane, rather than be left behind for the next day's flight. This resulted in their aircraft being well beyond the standard weight and balance tolerance provided by Cessna.

However, I'm not familiar enough with the situation to be certain that my interpretation is correct, so I hesitate to change the article myself. Would someone more familiar with the exact circumstances of the passengers' decision please make an appropriate edit? 12.155.58.181 (talk) 01:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey there. "The crew" referred to "Aaliyah and various members of the record company". Not the best word choice, though. I've copy-edited the paragraph to clarify it a bit. Let me know if there are any other issues. — Σxplicit 02:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
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