Talk:Adam Parry

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Review: January 4, 2025. (Reviewed version).

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Did you know... that the classicist Adam Parry said that he had only ever considered three careers: academia, law and beachcombing?

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Spouses

Excellent piece of work. I notice, however, that only Parry's first spouse is being displayed in the infobox, but I can see that his second wife Anne is included in the code. It looks like there's an error somewhere but I can't see where. (Might Anne also be worthy of her own article and therefore a redlink?). —Noswall59 (talk) 10:02, 31 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Good eye -- that's me "fixing" the template (going from hlist to plainlist) but forgetting to change the syntax. I've redlinked Anne Parry: she was an interesting character and a serious classicist in her own right, though seems to have ended her academic career when she married Adam. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 10:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. By the way, I have just created an article for W. R. Johnson. It's a very basic stub right now, but there's plenty of scope for expanding it. His work is well outside of my specialism unfortunately. --Noswall59 (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Ah, nice one -- I've stuck it on my watchlist. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by Rjjiii talk 19:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Adam Parry was blamed for infecting the study of the Roman poet Virgil with "Parryitis"?

Source: Brooks, Ward W. (2017). "What the Harvard School Has Taught Me". The Classical World. 111 (1): 54. JSTOR 48553367.

ALT1: ... that the classicist Adam Parry said that he had only ever considered three careers: academia, law and beachcombing? Source: * Lloyd-Jones, Hugh (1989). "Foreword". In Lloyd-Jones, Hugh (ed.). The Language of Achilles and Other Papers. Oxford: Oxford University Press. pp. v–vi. OCLC 1150068883 – via Internet Archive.}
ALT2: ... that the classicist Adam Parry credited his academic career to the early and mysterious death of his father, Milman Parry? Source: * Lloyd-Jones, Hugh (1989). "Foreword". In Lloyd-Jones, Hugh (ed.). The Language of Achilles and Other Papers. Oxford: Oxford University Press. pp. v–vi. OCLC 1150068883 – via Internet Archive.}
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/David Marchese

Moved to mainspace by UndercoverClassicist (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 23 past nominations.

UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 20:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Parryitis, lol. Good article, certainly eligible and extremely well sourced, with no evidence of copyvio — I have some sort of premonition of yet another classicist FAC in our futures. QPQ is good, and the source checks out as well, and is correctly cited in-article. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 03:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Passed. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 09:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: UndercoverClassicist (talk · contribs) 10:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Generalissima (talk · contribs) 02:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look at this - seems generally in my wheelhouse. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 02:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking it on: looking forward to your review. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

This article is so good my suggestions might seem quite nitpicky; feel free to ignore it.

Lead looks good to me.
Random thought; if the Harvard School is notable, wouldn't Virgilian scholarship in general be notable too? If so, you may want to redlink it.
- Yes, I suppose it would, though my instinct would be to wait on this one: it's a concept rather than a concrete thing, so the link doesn't seem to be "missing" as it would on (say) a person's name. One option would be to create a redirect to a suitable section of Virgil, but we only currently have one on "Reception" rather than scholarship per se. It would also be the fourth redlink in the lead, which I think might be a bit much! UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The body is somewhat inconsistent with linking cities; I understand not linking Paris, but if you're linking Seattle, you might as well link Milwaukee too.
- I agree; done. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What did John Huston Finley Jr. and Cedric Whitman teach? Might be worth briefly noting.
- They were classicists; added. This is actually more useful than it might appear, since John Huston Finley Sr. was a scholar of politics. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"viva" seems obscure enough it might be less ambiguous to just say "oral examination"
- Not sure about this: "viva" is the specific term for the oral examination on a doctoral thesis that ultimately decides whether it passes or progresses: if we say "oral exam", that makes it sound like just one component (perhaps alongside a written exam?). It's a pretty common term in the business, and it is linked. I've added "oral examination" in brackets so that we keep the "full" term while also providing a gloss. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I assume Clausen, Moore, and Gould are all also classicists? Might be good to say "fellow classicists" so readers know these arent just three random blokes
- They were, of various stripes: added. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Morse fellowship - is there anything you can link here? It might be just to just say "a fellowship"
- Only from OR: looking around on Google Books, it's pretty clear that this is a one-year grant given to junior faculty in the Humanities to get on with some research, but I can only find that by cross-comparing all the different book acknowledgements that thank Yale for giving one to the author. I'd rather not write "a Morse fellowship (a fellowship)" or something equally repetitive, but not sure I can do any better with a source. Frustratingly, Yale has two other Morse fellowships (this one and this one), but neither were around in Parry's day. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Probably good to wikilink Ajax the Great on "Parry played Ajax himself"
- Absolutely; done. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Assessment and legacy is very solid.
Personal life also very solid

Coverage seems pretty much comprehensive but not overly detailed. It seems neutral and stable. Images are correctly licensed and have alt-text.

Source review

Sources are consistently formatted, with good use of SFNs.

Spot check follows...

Everything in Kirk 1972 (cites 2, 3, 19, 20, and 49) checks out.
I'm a bit unsure if Havelock 2010 is truly 2010, since it's fundamentally the same book as 1975, just scanned and published online. We don't use the date JSTOR or archive.org articles were uploaded as the date when citing, do we?
- It is a 2010 republication: I don't think there was any difference in the text (it's not impossible that CUP took the opportunity to fix a typo or so), but the advantage of using the 2010 date is it that it allows you to use the 2010 ISBN, rather than a less-useful OCLC. We've got the orig-date parameter set to make clear that the text wasn't written in 2010 (after all, Havelock had been dead for two decades by that point). UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Anyhow, I took a random selection of the Havelock's cites (7, 16, 18, 52) and they checked out. Maybe you could mention the fact that he was a union member in personal life alongside his leftist politics?
- Yes, done. It's almost certainly the Sailors' Union of the Pacific, but I can't write that without OR. I have some minor reservations here that some blue-collar jobs in the US de facto require(d) union membership, so it's not necessarily the case that he joined for ideological reasons, but it seems a relevant enough fact to join together with the left-wing beliefs. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lloyd-Jones 1989 all checks out.

UndercoverClassicist thats my bit! Let me know when you're all ready. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 06:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Generalissima: Thank you for the review: back to you. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, everything looks good to me, and you answered all the questions I had. Happy to pass! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 09:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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