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A fact from Carol and Eric Hafner appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 January 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Carol and Eric Hafner ran for five United States House of Representatives seats for states in which they did not live, and mostly had not visited?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 13:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Eric Hafner's campaign announcement from prison

... that Eric Hafner (campaign announcement pictured) ran for the 2024 United States House of Representatives election in Alaska while serving 20 years in federal prison in New York state?

Source: https://www.krbd.org/2024/09/03/eric-hafner-advances-to-the-ak-us-house-ballot-from-federal-prison/ "Campaigning for statewide elected office in Alaska can be difficult and expensive, but Hafner faces extra hurdles. For one thing, he’s never been to the state. For another, Hafner is currently serving a decades-long sentence in a medium-security federal prison near Otisville, New York."

ALT1: ... that Carol and Eric Hafner ran for five United States House of Representatives seats from states they didn't live in, and mostly hadn't visited? Source: https://www.adn.com/politics/2024/09/12/alaska-supreme-court-rules-that-incarcerated-candidate-can-appear-on-us-house-ballot/ "Eric Hafner ... is running as a Democrat for Alaska’s U.S. House seat. He previously ran for U.S. House in Oregon as a Democrat and in Hawaii as a Republican. ... Carol Hafner also ran for Alaska’s U.S. House seat in 2018, and for Wyoming’s U.S. House seat in 2020." The "mostly hadn't visited" needs to be 4 links (no citation for Hawaii): Eric/Oregon https://www.portlandtribune.com/news/candidate-challenges-blumenauer-from-afar-3-000-miles-away/article_bf0df592-09c3-5485-8225-7e8d22fbdb97.html; Eric/Alaska https://www.krbd.org/2024/09/03/eric-hafner-advances-to-the-ak-us-house-ballot-from-federal-prison/; Carol/Alaska https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-alaska-carol-hafner-house-20180718-story.html; Carol/Wyoming https://www.wyomingnews.com/news/elections/out-of-state-democrat-announces-u-s-house-bid-in-wyoming/article_e24f80a3-ef54-5bf2-b982-35fbea047361.html (it does say she planned to visit, but even if she later did, it would mean 3/5 races for states they never visited)
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Expandable card game
Comment: The image isn't great as an image. But as a photocopy of a prison ID for a campaign announcement - it's priceless!

Moved to mainspace by GRuban (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 45 past nominations.

GRuban (talk) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Interesting subject. Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carol "Kitty" Hafner and MOS:NICKNAME

@GiantSnowman: and [1] MOS:NICKNAME says "If a person is known by a nickname used in lieu of or in addition to a given name, and it is not a common hypocorism of one of their names, or a professional alias, it is usually presented between double quotation marks following the last given name or initial." This is what she calls herself on her campaign website, https://carolhafner.com/: "Carol “Kitty” Hafner is a Retired NEA Union Member Higher Education Administrator, Former Flight Attendant, and Biotechnology Industry Professional.", the following three paragraphs, as well as the Matt Hickman articles used as a source. I gather you are removing it because Kitty isn't in the article title; but MOS:NICKNAME does not say it has to be the article title, just has to be a nickname she is known as, and this is clearly something she is known as. --GRuban (talk) 17:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Either a nickname is so widely used that it should be the article name per COMMONNAME, or it is not, in which case it does not merit mention in the opening sentence. You will note I left the reference to "Kitty" in her section. Giant Snowman 18:12, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see that in MOS:NICKNAME, I think you are reading words that are not present in the text. If it had wanted to say "Either a nickname is so widely used that it should be the article name or it does not merit mention in the opening sentence." it would have said that. --GRuban (talk) 00:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The only person that seems to use 'Kitty' is her own official website and social media. Not a widespread nickname. Giant Snowman 18:19, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that she uses it as her own name is quite important, and should not be minimized. There are cases when we do not allow people to choose how they are to be addressed, but they are very rare. And it is used more than her own official website and social media:

https://www.app.com/story/news/politics/2018/08/21/toms-river-congress-alaska/1055855002/ - first mention of name: "Carol "Kitty" Hafner, 64, who is registered to vote in Toms River, sought the Democratic nominee for Alaska's only seat in the U.S. House of Representatives."
https://www.anchoragepress.com/news/kitty-for-congress/article_2b8955a6-8afd-11e8-8b5a-efa2e84cff28.html and https://www.frontiersman.com/chugachtimes/kitty-for-congress/article_294e5116-8c64-11e8-9765-07948b323b79.html "Kitty for Congress" - title of piece. First mention of name: "Carol ‘Kitty’ Hafner"
https://www.app.com/story/news/local/courts/2019/10/31/monmouth-man-accused-campaign-terror-against-cops-lawyers-judges/4114345002/ First mention of name: "Hafner's mother, Carol "Kitty" Hafner,"
https://www.wyotoday.com/three-new-municipal-filings/article_73177661-7092-557a-80a3-1ce02e80fd2b.html Official filing: "Carol “Kitty” Hafner". This is basically what she is notable for.

GRuban (talk) 23:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, biographies of political women seem to be a particularly fertile field for bolded nicknames in the first sentence that differ from the article title.

Martha Jefferson Randolph: Martha "Patsy" Randolph
Rose Cleveland: Rose Elizabeth "Libby" Cleveland - Wikipedia:Good article
Helen Herron Taft: Helen Louise "Nellie" Taft - Wikipedia:Good article
Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis: Jacqueline Lee "Jackie" Kennedy Onassis - arguably that one is a well known MOS:HYPOCORISM for Jacqueline so should be removed, per that rule... on the other hand, it can be argued that she is the one that made it a well known hypocorism. So, I am not going to do it. You've got the mop, so feel free to wade into that fire without fear that you will melt. Er. Um. So to speak.
Condoleezza Rice: Condoleezza "Condi" Rice
Cornelia Cole Fairbanks: Cornelia "Nellie" Cole Fairbanks
Mariette Rheiner Garner: Mariette Elizabeth "Ettie" Rheiner Garner

That's seven: most high visibility articles, and multiple Wikipedia:Good articles. With all due respect, Mr. Snowman, I think your interpretation is clearly wrong. --GRuban (talk) 00:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Giant Snowman 18:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have made an edit in an effort to compromise. Giant Snowman 19:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, thank you! That is certainly a compromise that we can leave up while we discuss further. I think the place to discuss further is on the talk for MOS:NICKNAME, since it clearly affects many articles, probably a WP:RFC or something. Will ping you when that's written, probably today but maybe tomorrow or so, I'm not the fastest Wikipedian. --GRuban (talk) 20:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]