Talk:Dr Disrespect/Archive 1
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Awards
In awards section, the 1993 and 1994 awards are self reported by Beahm. No independent secondary source has been found yet. Unoc (talk) 12:57, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, this is because he's acting. Making outrageous claims is part of his character. I went ahead and removed the awards. By the way, there was no 1993 Blockbuster World Championships. Look up "Did Dr Disrespect Win the Blockbuster Video Game Championships? - Tales From the Internet" on YouTube. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.77.44 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Name
If this article is kept, then we do need to discuss the article name. I cannot remember where I saw the exact policy or guideline, but I believe it stated that we should not have honorifics in the title, especially if they are false. Tutelary (talk) 04:57, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- The article title "Dr DisRespect" makes sense per MOS:AT. It's how he's known professionally, similar to how we use Dr. Dre for Andre Young. --77.173.90.33 (talk) 02:25, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
- I have somewhat of an issue, but not related to honorifics. Nowhere does Beahm use "Dr DisRespect" ... he uses "DrDisRespect", "DrDisrespect", and "drdisrespect" but never the title of this article which is now "Dr DisResRespect". How is this mistake possible? --SVTCobra (talk) 06:25, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with the comment above. Nowhere do I see him refer to himself as "Dr DisRespect". Instead it's always DrDisRespect and I believe this needs to be fixed 2600:6C48:767F:FF1B:3409:8097:8F64:8F24 (talk) 20:37, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- I have somewhat of an issue, but not related to honorifics. Nowhere does Beahm use "Dr DisRespect" ... he uses "DrDisRespect", "DrDisrespect", and "drdisrespect" but never the title of this article which is now "Dr DisResRespect". How is this mistake possible? --SVTCobra (talk) 06:25, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Infobox
I suggest we change the main infobox to Template:Infobox Twitch streamer. Dr Disrespect is primarily an entertainer, not a professional eSports competitor. The few tournaments he does enter are celebrity tournaments more than anything. --SVTCobra (talk) 21:45, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
- Since no one commented, I have transitioned the infobox. I also embedded the YouTube infobox as a module, so now everything is neatly contained in one box. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 17:00, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
New section for twitch ban?
Should there be a new sub section to discuss his twitch ban? Rather than discussing it in the main lead article box? Viewratio (talk) 00:28, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
- he got banned? news?--SVTCobra (talk) 00:54, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
The event of the ban/suspension is covered for now in the career section. Please do not add it to the lede as it is a breaking report and we should not violate WP:BLP. If you have information with no source, please post it here on the talk page first instead of adding it to the article. Thanks. --SVTCobra (talk) 01:45, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Doc was indeed banned today SVTCobra, but there is no reason as to why so I feel it shouldnt be added in just yet. Link to a Polygon article here:https://www.polygon.com/2020/6/26/21304828/twitch-bans-dr-disrespect Thanks! Jiiiiiiii (talk) 21:27, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note that the previous discussion was from over a year ago after the incident of streaming people urinating from a bathroom, and does not relate to the most recent ban. 81.154.110.34 (talk) 23:50, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Right - this one seems more severe. We are all sort of waiting for updates/more information on the situation, because right now there is a lot of lack of information (including statement by him too, so perhaps there is some legal reason why there is silence now.) 2A02:8388:1641:8380:9B78:5DE0:8D45:58AC (talk) 00:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Just like to remind you now of the two interviews he did this morning to be added: Interview with PC Gamer / Interview with the Washington Post (there's also analyzation by Forbes and YouTuber Jake Lucky if you need to). In both interviews, the former Twitch streamer insists that he still doesn't know the reasons or actions taken by the platform to ban him (with his final moments of live streaming having to do with "the state of the world" instead of what was about to happen); he also claims that he's not into any theory (like the fake Brime or his connection to conspiracy theorist David Icke) regarding his sudden ban and focused on his upcoming "Doc 3.0" personality. Appreciated. --2603:9000:A511:9E76:983E:58EA:BE0:53E6 (talk) 17:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
- I've recently requested semi-protection as there are misinformation being posted on the article. Find it here: Wikipedia:Requests for page protection - Dr Disrespect --2603:9000:A511:9E76:85F1:C7BA:A507:7733 (talk) 22:54, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Should we keep the Twitch or YouTube template?
I noticed that the template for Dr Disrespect changed from Twitch to YouTube given that he did a comeback on the latter. However, there is reportedly no exclusive deal (a la Ninja and Shroud) and he may go from one platform to another. In addition, if he even does return to Twitch one way or another, information on his stats on there should be kept for a record. Just saying, should he decide to stream on his website next, there won't be any dedicated template for that right away unless he ends up banned on YouTube. --2603:9000:A511:9E76:3CC1:9F8:D718:9293 (talk) 19:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC) Just noticed that EoRdE6 changed it. I guess leave it as-is unless discussion overturns. --2603:9000:A511:9E76:3CC1:9F8:D718:9293 (talk) 19:23, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Again, unless he does stream on YouTube next Friday or starts to do so every weekday, the template may need to be kept as if he is still on Twitch (since that is where he became notable). Who knows if the Doc himself has seen this article? Otherwise, it's dead and not moving. --2603:9000:A511:9E76:3CC1:9F8:D718:9293 (talk) 13:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC) Update: He did another live stream, which was focused on him becoming a partner of [Rogue Company] after tweeting to the developers that he is to develop a themed arena, to which they responded. Still waiting for someone. --2603:9000:A511:9E76:3CC1:9F8:D718:9293 (talk) 15:46, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
not a controversy
Is there any evidence that there is a controversy around him making fun of chinese speakers? Some news company making a (clearly biased) article about it does not suffice. It's not a controversy if only one or two people are running with the story.
The idea that it is racist to make fun of the way human language #205 sounds relies on the claimant's implicit assumption that any speaker of that language is indeed "dorky" or whatever, making the claimant racist on the exact same basis as he accused the other of being racist. So it's not really believable that there is a controversy around this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaghblahblah (talk • contribs) 18:00, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
Section Coronavirus conspiracy theories
The first version of this section from August 2020 underwent several changes, indicating imho an editorial process that has reached a consensus. Nonetheless there have been several complete deletions of this section and subsequent reverts not only recently. But in result this paragraph was part of the article for most of the time.
As the main section title allready states, we are talking about a controversially viewed point. Therefore I don't think a whole section should be removed, but only additions or changes should be made.
Following this belief I will reintegrate this section. Regarding the concern of User:Grifteryaya, I will try to better clarify that the referenced Kotatko article contains mainly commentary. --Murata (talk) 08:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Murata If it has been deleted in the past, it should not have been re-added until there was talk page consensus per WP:ONUS. Also it was written in an unclear style. It was not clear what he did (shared media, said it?) and how what he did was discreditable. Also also, one article in a video gaming blog does not demonstrate notability. These things need to be addressed. Solipsism 101 (talk) 19:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Solipsism 101 WP:ONUS is about the inclusion of a topic as whole. Do you dispute the notability of this section or that it is written in an unclear style? Reading the first part of your deletion comment, I asume second and therefore want you to note WP:EDITCON, where there is no deletion, only compromise. I advocate for an editorial process instead of deletion especially as it is a ... controverse ;). As stated above there has been a process reaching consensus to include this section. But that does not mean there is no room for improvement, lets try to acchieve a new consensus, improving the unclear style: Can you think of a wording that improves this section? He shared media, thats why it said "shared [...] media". I deem sharing misinformation on critical subjects, especially with his reach, discreditable. You do not? The blog article is a source reference not the claim for notability. I do think notability in general should be discussed in the talk pages, probably including sources, but rarely has to be mentioned explicitly (or referenced) in the article. --Murata (talk) 00:28, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Murata Per the policy (WP:ONUS, if content is contested, it is on you to gain consensus in order for the content to be included. You should remove the content you have re-added until that consensus is formed. I would support inclusion if it were clear what he did, in what context, and we had sustained coverage explaining why it was bad rather than a single article (thinking about WP:10YT). We do not have that at the minute. Best wishes, Solipsism 101 (talk) 22:09, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Solipsism 101 WP:ONUS is about the inclusion of a topic as whole. Do you dispute the notability of this section or that it is written in an unclear style? Reading the first part of your deletion comment, I asume second and therefore want you to note WP:EDITCON, where there is no deletion, only compromise. I advocate for an editorial process instead of deletion especially as it is a ... controverse ;). As stated above there has been a process reaching consensus to include this section. But that does not mean there is no room for improvement, lets try to acchieve a new consensus, improving the unclear style: Can you think of a wording that improves this section? He shared media, thats why it said "shared [...] media". I deem sharing misinformation on critical subjects, especially with his reach, discreditable. You do not? The blog article is a source reference not the claim for notability. I do think notability in general should be discussed in the talk pages, probably including sources, but rarely has to be mentioned explicitly (or referenced) in the article. --Murata (talk) 00:28, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Name of article
An IP editor recently brought up the point that the aforementioned Youtuber's channel name is "DrDisRespect". I think we should we make a new page, and move the article there under that correct name, and turn this page into a redirect? CosmicJacuzzi (talk) 00:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Requested move 23 September 2021
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Calidum 17:16, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
Dr Disrespect → DrDisRespect – The basis for my suggestion of this move is the discussion that took place above on the talk page here[1]. As well as the fact that one of the it fits on of criteria for article titles, namely precision. The discussion fell to the way side, and it was never done. Thank you for your time, and consideration. CosmicJacuzzi (talk) 15:02, 23 September 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 04:35, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Do reliable sources spell it as one word or two? O.N.R. (talk) 23:09, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. Looking at all the sources in the article, it seems they are split, with some using Dr Disrespect and others using the name with no space. Google results in many more hits on the present title than for the proposed name. So it appears that many more sources exist that use the present title when they refer to the video-game streamer. Also seen are a few like "Dr. Disrespect" with a period after "Dr", but not nearly as many as for this article's title without the period. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 07:38, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, with similar reasoning to Paine Ellsworth. I note that his channel description is "The Official Dr Disrespect YouTube Channel" and that his most live videos use the spaced styling. So does his merch site. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 05:33, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support as per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Initials — Preceding unsigned comment added by APPU (talk • contribs) 15:31, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- Please explain how that guideline applies in this situation? P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 00:03, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Adding Aim Assist under Controversy
On September 21 2021 DrDisrespect tweeted out 'Without your aim assist, you ain't nothing.'[44] This led to widespread disagreement between mouse and keyboard and controller players and prompted backlash from players like FaZe Pamaj, Nadeshot, Nickmercs, and many others. Some claimed the Doc was merely impression farming while others challenged him to try controller himself since it is more accessible.[45] (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dr_Disrespect&oldid=1048417064)
Wanted to add in the above portion ^^^ due to all the attention and discussion this has generated recently. Also has been a key component of the Doc's persona over the last couple of years at least since the PUBG days. Got rejected by user:IVORK for not being noteworthy enough yet. Figured i'd open things up for dicsussion here Warzone14 (talk) 21:44, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- if nobody responds to this comment within a week I will add it back in Warzone14 (talk) 04:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
- Seems a short-term Twitter spat. It doesn't meet notability standards. One might say he criticises aim assist users as part of his online persona, but I don't think the controversy itself is worthy of inclusion. Solipsism 101 (talk) 19:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Merger proposal for Draft:Midnight Society (game studio)
I propose that Draft:Midnight Society (game studio) should be merged into this article. I have included many reliable sources, as well as a lot of information that won't make this article obsessively too long with text. MikeTimesONE 13:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Go for it. Do note that the draft contains a lot of unimportant fluffy details surrounding the core events, long quotes and uncited portions; these will need to be addressed following or during merging. Pabsoluterince (talk) 01:28, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Potential update on the Permanent ban from Twitch section
On June 21st, a former Twitch employee, Cody Conners, came forward with allegations against DrDisrespect in an X (Twitter) post. According to Crunchbase, Cody Conners worked for Twitch as an "Account Director [of] Strategic Partnerships"
While DrDisrespect isn't explicitly named in the post, several journalists and industry insiders have come forward to corroborate that these allegations are against DrDisrespect.
- Slasher, who originally implied he knew of the real reason of his ban in 2020, tweeted this.
- djWheat, who served as the Director of Twitch Studios and Director of Creator Development when DrDisrespect was suspended, acknowledges Slasher's role in this story in a post.
- Washington Post report Nathan Grayson tweets that he's heard this story many times from "secondhand sources"
- DrDisrespect himself seemingly confirms that the post is about his suspension in a reply to Jake Lucky. (archived)
So far, everything regarding these allegations has come from a handful of X/Twitter posts but gaming and esports-related news outlets have already picked up on the story. [2][3][4][5][6][7]
I think it's too early to add anything to the article but I would love to know your thoughts. quidama talk 09:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- With the subject responding to the allegations and this response being picked up by what appear to be reliable sources (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a regular consumer of gaming/esports journalism outside of iRacing),[8][9][10] I see no reason not to include a small blurb in the appropriate existing section. I would agree that there is no need to expand further at this time, or give it its own section at all (as one of the reverted additions tried to do), as it's impossible to tell now how much WP:WEIGHT this will have in the grand scheme of things. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 12:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- So the burden for proof on wikipedia these days is "I heard that someone I know said"? 2603:8001:8601:8445:9424:60D4:6D70:3C97 (talk) 03:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is it relevant to note that the source of these accusations has floated disclosing knowledge about about the situation in the past for personal financial gain?
- https://twitter.com/evoli/status/1679536544863113217 2603:8001:8601:8445:D10C:8891:35D6:5936 (talk) 00:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- No, and especially not when the only source is ex-Twitter. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 04:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- The original source for these allegations is the same twitter account I linked, Cody Conners. This person is the progenitor of all claims relevant to this topic in media stories related to this story. Outside of this persons claims you have a few people on twitter claiming that they have known about this since 2020, without adding any more details or evidence. Any media story connected to this either references this twitter or account or citing anonymous sources that have corroborated the allegations of claims made by this twitter account. 2603:8001:8601:8445:D10C:8891:35D6:5936 (talk) 05:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- The subject of the article directly addressed the allegations in question and this was picked up by reliable, secondary sources, which is why it is included in the article. Your complaint is wholly irrelevant in light of that unless you can provide reliable, secondary sources. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 05:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- There seems to be a lot more information now. He's been fired/relationship terminated from a company that he co-founded. There's articles everywhere now so this information definitely should be added to the page:
- 1. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/dr-disrespect-inappropriate-messages-minor-twitch-1235048071/
- 2. https://www.thegamer.com/dr-disrespect-knowingly-sent-minor-explicit-messages-former-twitch-employee/
- 3. https://www.eurogamer.net/dr-disrespect-continued-to-send-sexually-explicit-messages-to-minor-after-their-age-was-known-former-twitch-employee-says
- 4. https://www.dailydot.com/debug/dr-disrespect-minor-edit/
- 5. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/dr-disrespect-responds-reports-messaged-minor-twitch-rcna158882
- 6. https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/dr-disrespect-finally-confirms-the-reason-for-his-lifetime-twitch-ban-admits-to-messages-with-a-minor-that-were-in-the-direction-of-being-inappropriate/
- Even NBC News and PC Gamer reported on the story. Guy Bheam all but corroborated the evidence at this point too. The gaming headset company Turtle Beach dropped their partnership with the guy too according to Gosu Gamers: https://www.gosugamers.net/entertainment/news/71904-dr-disrespect-admits-inappropriate-texts-with-a-minor-caused-twitch-ban
- We could at least add the links that are acceptable sources and semi-protect the page from abuse before someone does a worse job at adding eg. incorrect information. Averageeuropean (talk) 07:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Gosu Gamers is unreliable. The Gamer, as it's owned by Valnet, is probably reliable. And articles from The Daily Dot might not do should we get to FA. The others, already there. 2601:47:100:AC40:60F3:CE7A:BB9E:F5CA (talk) 12:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Technically, just from NBC News at lead. No Eurogamer refs and over a dozen PC Gamer refs. They're all generally reliable. 2601:47:100:AC40:60F3:CE7A:BB9E:F5CA (talk) 12:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Added the Eurogamer ref where it's proper. As you may see, the aim here has been to improve it so to meet B-class criteria. So far, getting close. 2601:47:100:AC40:60F3:CE7A:BB9E:F5CA (talk) 12:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- The subject of the article directly addressed the allegations in question and this was picked up by reliable, secondary sources, which is why it is included in the article. Your complaint is wholly irrelevant in light of that unless you can provide reliable, secondary sources. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 05:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- The original source for these allegations is the same twitter account I linked, Cody Conners. This person is the progenitor of all claims relevant to this topic in media stories related to this story. Outside of this persons claims you have a few people on twitter claiming that they have known about this since 2020, without adding any more details or evidence. Any media story connected to this either references this twitter or account or citing anonymous sources that have corroborated the allegations of claims made by this twitter account. 2603:8001:8601:8445:D10C:8891:35D6:5936 (talk) 05:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- No, and especially not when the only source is ex-Twitter. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 04:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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At footnote "60", the date is stated as 26th of June, when the correct date in reference to the article is the 24th of June. Cocolina3 (talk) 21:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Done. 〜 Askarion ✉ 15:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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He was just dropped by Turtle Beach last night, his collection is no longer available and redirects to the home page: www.turtlebeach.com/collections/dr-disrespect, he was also removed from their influencers page: https://www.turtlebeach.com/pages/influencers NonUrBiz213141 (talk) 09:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Done ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Change "sexting a minor" to "inappropriately texting".
I fully agree he did wrong, but there's no evidence to suggest 'sexting', going that far, that's speculation. Kedzie02 (talk) 23:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: The initial tweet https://x.com/evoli/status/1804309358106546676 specifically mentions "sexting a minor", that was the allegation being addressed by everyone else. Sohom (talk) 01:06, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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1st. Update the total views on his YT channel to 738.3 738.5 million.
2nd. Minor correction to a quoted tweet: [...] The powers that be could read in plain text."
- should be plain text".
3rd. Auto archive all closed / inactive talk sections that are older than 60 days (1,440 hours) or when this page gets over 50K. Kind of copied the code from Talk:Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother; is that a good idea? 2601:47:100:AC40:EFA:6866:1B37:68C6 (talk) 17:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Updated requests. 2601:47:100:AC40:E870:90FB:6CAA:E4F9 (talk) 11:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Begrudgingly registered...
- Another request, a screenshot of a livestream by Dr Disrespect on June 5 2024 titled
"DR DISRESPECT - WARZONE - NBA FINALS & FANDUEL"
[11]. Admittedly, this may go too far but, the thing is, where should this be placed? - [REMOVED AS REQUESTED] 2601AC47 (talk) 17:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Axem Titanium: Note that the image used for Streaming persona does show him as he usually would on a stream (or promotion for FanDuel in this case). The image on the infobox shows him on a red carpet to an in-person event in 2018, which can be distinguishable that way. For the record:
- 2601AC47 (talk) 17:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- He's wearing the same wig and sunglasses he always wears. I don't find the differences to be meaningful. If you find a picture of him without the wig and glasses, that would be one thing, but he's clearly "in-character" in both of the images in question. Also you should probably request File:DrDisrespect Livestream June 2024.png to be deleted under Commons:Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion#G7. It's uploaded on Commons but it includes copyrighted images owned by Activision/Microsoft which are not allowed there. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure. Attempt 2 which avoids showing whatever he plays, but behind him is an ad for FanDuel. Again, from the stream. [REMOVED] 2601AC47 (talk) 18:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- What are you attempting to illustrate by including this image? Axem Titanium (talk) 20:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay. Simply put: I think that it's reasonably due as far as the placement and pertinence of the image may be concerned, not an intent to advertise.
- After going through the last 8 streams, I still couldn't find a better image that would directly depict DrDisrespect's persona let alone his signature mannerism. 2601:47:100:AC40:38E9:61A4:35CF:E7C7 (talk) 13:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Can you explain specifically what this image adds to the article above and beyond the infobox image? I get that there's a feeling of "photo taken moments before disaster" schadenfreude to it, but it's not obvious to me what the encyclopedic value of that is. In terms of illustrating what he looks like, it overlaps in the same way as the other image I removed. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- It would be placed in Career or Streaming persona primarily to show how he usually presents himself during a stream. Although it's probably desirable to call it a
photo taken moments before disaster
; not how most would see things like this. Encyclopedic-wise, I think I already answered that. 2601:47:100:AC40:CB3A:CBEA:4D9B:2E62 (talk) 20:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)- Again, it's not obvious to me "how he presents himself during a stream" looks meaningfully different from the infobox photo. He's a dude in a mullet wig and reflective glasses wearing some sort of biker vest in both images. I don't see how having a 2nd image of that meaningfully adds to the 1st. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Biker vest
? Point taken. They're gilets. Secondly, there may be some confusion if readers only see him like he did in 2018 compared to now, and not the sort you're describing, truly. Admit it. 2601:47:100:AC40:CB3A:CBEA:4D9B:2E62 (talk) 21:12, 11 July 2024 (UTC)- 2018 was not that long ago. He looks like the same middle-aged white dude in both photos to me. I have a hard time imagining readers not believing that they're the same person. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- @2601AC47 The image you uploaded violates copyright guidelines and cannot be added. Photos uploaded to Wikipedia must follow copyright guidelines, and the screenshot you added is of a YouTube livestream that is not marked with a Creative Commons "Reuse allowed" Attribution. B3251(talk) 22:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- But what if he changes into someone different...
- Fine. Can you fulfill the other requests? 2601:47:100:AC40:61A4:9699:6E17:B02A (talk) 23:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- @2601AC47 The image you uploaded violates copyright guidelines and cannot be added. Photos uploaded to Wikipedia must follow copyright guidelines, and the screenshot you added is of a YouTube livestream that is not marked with a Creative Commons "Reuse allowed" Attribution. B3251(talk) 22:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- 2018 was not that long ago. He looks like the same middle-aged white dude in both photos to me. I have a hard time imagining readers not believing that they're the same person. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Again, it's not obvious to me "how he presents himself during a stream" looks meaningfully different from the infobox photo. He's a dude in a mullet wig and reflective glasses wearing some sort of biker vest in both images. I don't see how having a 2nd image of that meaningfully adds to the 1st. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- It would be placed in Career or Streaming persona primarily to show how he usually presents himself during a stream. Although it's probably desirable to call it a
- Can you explain specifically what this image adds to the article above and beyond the infobox image? I get that there's a feeling of "photo taken moments before disaster" schadenfreude to it, but it's not obvious to me what the encyclopedic value of that is. In terms of illustrating what he looks like, it overlaps in the same way as the other image I removed. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- What are you attempting to illustrate by including this image? Axem Titanium (talk) 20:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure. Attempt 2 which avoids showing whatever he plays, but behind him is an ad for FanDuel. Again, from the stream. [REMOVED] 2601AC47 (talk) 18:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- He's wearing the same wig and sunglasses he always wears. I don't find the differences to be meaningful. If you find a picture of him without the wig and glasses, that would be one thing, but he's clearly "in-character" in both of the images in question. Also you should probably request File:DrDisrespect Livestream June 2024.png to be deleted under Commons:Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion#G7. It's uploaded on Commons but it includes copyrighted images owned by Activision/Microsoft which are not allowed there. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Done ... 2601AC47 (talk) 12:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Removal of in game content from NBA2K and Rogue Company
Shortly after the reason for DrDisrespect's Twitch ban was revealed, NBA 2K removed all content related to him from the game. This included his character model and elements from story-related modes. Dexerto also confirmed that DrDisrespect's custom dunk and jump shot animations would be "rotated out." [1] Nearly two weeks later, Rogue Company followed suit by removing DrDisrespect's in-game skin. [2]
Above could be a starting point for an addition to this wiki for removed content. Rock & roll is not dead (talk) 16:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I probably should have known this too, but you keep citing, to quote WP:VG/RS,
a tabloid publication that rarely engages in serious journalism; while it may be used as a source on a case by case basis (with some editors arguing for the reliability of its esports coverage), it is usually better to find an alternative source, and it is rarely suitable for use on BLPs or to establish notability.
Maybe explain that first? 2601:47:100:AC40:4DA2:6017:411B:C24 (talk) 16:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)- I didn't know Dexerto was considered a bad source, but it appears Dexerto broke the story and Dotesports and Verge (which are considered "green"/good) are sourcing Dexerto. Rock & roll is not dead (talk) 16:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Shortly after the reason for DrDisrespect's Twitch ban was revealed, NBA 2K removed all content related to him from the game. This included his character model and elements from story-related modes, custom dunk, and jump shot animations would be "rotated out." [3] Nearly two weeks later, Rogue Company followed suit by removing DrDisrespect's in-game skin. [4]
- No longer references to Dexerto. Gamespot, can be used as well. All sources used are green and allowed per wiki guidance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources). I am asking for this to be added in. Rock & roll is not dead (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Both Done and Not done. 2601AC47 (talk) 00:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't initially see the Rogue entry. I think the following can be added to the Video game development section:
- In June 2024, shortly after the details of DrDisrespect's Twitch ban became public, NBA 2K confirmed all content featuring him would be removed from the game. This included his character model, elements from story-related modes, and his custom dunk and jump shot animations.[5]Rock & roll is not dead (talk) 01:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Both Done and Not done. 2601AC47 (talk) 00:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't know Dexerto was considered a bad source, but it appears Dexerto broke the story and Dotesports and Verge (which are considered "green"/good) are sourcing Dexerto. Rock & roll is not dead (talk) 16:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Cakir, Gokhan (26 June 2024). "Next NBA 2K24 update will delete Dr. Disrespect character, story completely". dotesports. USA.
- ^ Appleford, Daniel (7 June 2024). "Rogue Company came back from the dead just to remove Dr Disrespect". Dexerto. USA.
- ^ Cakir, Gokhan (26 June 2024). "Next NBA 2K24 update will delete Dr. Disrespect character, story completely". dotesports. USA.
- ^ Yin-Poole, Wesley (8 July 2024). "Rogue Company Dev Pulls All Dr Disrespect Content, Offers Rogue Buck Refunds Rather Than Real Money". IGN. USA.
- ^ Cakir, Gokhan (26 June 2024). "Next NBA 2K24 update will delete Dr. Disrespect character, story completely". dotesports. USA.
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Add that he’s a convicted predator 2600:6C52:6800:78C:3DBD:9D5:D05C:8ADB (talk) 18:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 20:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The fact he confimed it himself on twitter/X 2607:FEA8:FC10:7991:8EBE:AC83:83BE:E272 (talk) 02:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is there any secondary news source or primary criminal records to support your claim? Rock & roll is not dead (talk) 14:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- The fact he confimed it himself on twitter/X 2607:FEA8:FC10:7991:8EBE:AC83:83BE:E272 (talk) 02:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Where was he convicted? Source? Rock & roll is not dead (talk) 01:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- The fact he confimed it himself on twitter/X 2607:FEA8:FC10:7991:8EBE:AC83:83BE:E272 (talk) 02:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Paragraph lacking any references
The entire statement regarding banning from Twitch, reason for ban, and subsequent demonetization from YouTube has no references. This should be removed or references added. Erin1973 (talk) 15:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Where exactly? There are a good amount of references in the section. Speaking of which, I've been busy with a rewrite of it... 2601AC47 (talk) 23:26, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless, it's cited well. Done 2601AC47 (talk) 01:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Appears it has been fixed since I submitted this. Erin1973 (talk) 02:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
GA Review
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Nominator: 2601AC47 (talk · contribs) 21:49, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Ca (talk · contribs) 14:23, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I will be reviewing this. Ca talk to me! 14:23, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
From a quick skim
- Lead is too short compared to the length of the article. I recommend adding mention of his side ventures and his streaming persona
In June 2024, former Twitch employees disclosed that his ban was due to sexting with a minor using Twitch's Whisper feature in 2017
Clarify or remove the mention of "Whispher feature" - Already doneIt mixed clips of him trash talking over footage of gameplay with real-life footage of him in costume as Dr Disrespect,
Clarify "Dr Disrepect" here refers to a persona, not the person himself. - Done...sparked criticism around the sale of "Founder's Access" NFTs
. Wikilink at "Founder's Access" NFTs is WP:ASTONISHing since it targets a generic article about a blockchain game. - Rewritten.YouTube suspended Beahm from the platform's partner program and demonetized his channel
. Clarify or find a wikilink for "demonetized". Its use in YT is different from its general use. - Rewritten.- Overall, the sourcing looks alright, and the negative WP:BLP claims look to be well-sourced. I will be performing a more through review later, spotchecking and looking out for WP:NPOV issues 👍.
I apologize for the delay; I did not have time to review this article. I believe I will be able to do the spotchecks this weekend. Ca talk to me! 11:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome to do so at your earliest convenience / when available. Take your time. 2601AC47 (talk) 19:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Second go
- Replace Distractify source, unreliable for BLP [12] - Removed as well as the information that relied on it
The studio's mission is to develop a "day-zero" community experience where players might decide on "feature prioritization, pivotal design decisions, and fuel innovation in the shooter genre"
This reads confusing. I have know ide what "day zero" community means and the quote looks like standard business buzz-speak. Recommend paraphrasing. - Also couldn't understand and isn't written in one of the following inline citations, removed.- Per WP:CSECTION, controversy sections are discouraged. However, as per the essay, the subject is now primarily notable for his minor-sexting controversy. So I believe it is WP:NPOV in this case.
- After reading over the sources and the article. I disagree with the part where it says
Beahm acknowledged the nature of his ban, and characterized the messages as "inappropriate".
in the lead. His full quote is ‘leaned too much in the direction of being inappropriate’, and even that statement was deleted by him, elements which retrospective sources like [13] emphasized. - Done - You should add the fact that he got paid in full after going through arbitration after the text
The legal dispute was eventually resolved in 2022, with neither party admitting wrongdoing and "moving on".
[14] - Quoted directly from source. The Verge, Rolling Stone, and others don't seem to provide any information aside from directly quoting his tweet.
Spotchecks
- ✓ Pass Claim
He later acknowledged sending messages that he claimed "sometimes leaned too much in the direction of being inappropriate"; that statement was removed in August, and he tweeted afterwards that "we have lots to talk about"
is verified by the two sources. - ✗ Fail Yohan 2017 does not verify that the moustache's name "Slick Daddy". - Removed.
- ✗ Fail Kaser 2021 does not verify the figure "2 million". Also it should mention Ember Sword is a crypto game since Dr. Respect seems to be engaged in that space. - Removed 2 million and used the prefix used in the source.
- Win.gg should not be used for WP:BLPs per [15] - Removed.
- ✓ Pass
In December 2017, he confessed on a livestream to having cheated on his wife, and he stopped streaming for several months before returning in February 2018
is verified by the three sources. - ✓ Pass
Additionally, his partnerships with FanDuel, Midnight Society, Turtle Beach and other sponsors were suspended.
is verified. However, its should be clarified Fanduel simply did not renew their partnership, not suspension. - ✓ Pass
Beahm claimed in August 2021 that he knew the reason and sued Twitch.
is verified. - ? Maybe
Former Twitch employees responded that it was inaccurate, characterizing the messages as "sexually graphic" and that Beahm kept sending these messages even after being made aware the individual was underage
Technically verified, but clarify source, it was from an anonymous former employee talking to Rolling Stone. - Done ish?
Reference ideas
From my search, I found few sources that can add finishing details to the article
- [16][17] Bheam's attempt to remonetise his YT channel
- [18] Response video on YT with angry denial of accusations
Copyright
- Images are appropriately licensed. The lead image appears to be an original photo, according to reverse image search results on Tineye.
- WP:Earwig returns no concerns.
On hold
There were some spotchecks that failed, so make sure the sources of the article verify its content. Some points are awaiting improvement. When the above issues are fixed I will be promoting this article. Good job! 👍
- @Ca: per [19] I'll try and finish up your comments here. I am aware of the subject but not intimately familiar with them, and it's difficult to wade through so much of the bullshit spam that is written about internet celebrities, but I've followed WP:RS/VG as my reliability rubric. I've answered the comments individually. DatGuyTalkContribs 18:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for finishing the review for 2601AC47. Ca talk to me! 23:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- A good thing I tried months ago to clear it up to the best of my abilities, with moderate success. And again, I regret to have left this alone for too long (but I still earn a credit). 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 18:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Now nominated for DYK, and a weary world. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 19:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)