Talk:Enchylium polycarpon

Enchylium polycarpon is currently a Biology and medicine good article nominee. Nominated by X (talk) at 07:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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Short description: Species of fungus

Enchylium polycarpon was nominated as a Natural sciences good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (September 18, 2024, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

Enchylium polycarpon was nominated as a Natural sciences good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (March 28, 2024, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Enchylium polycarpon/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Xkalponik (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Snoteleks (talk · contribs) 17:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will get to this shortly. —Snoteleks (Talk) 17:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Failed "good article" nomination

This article has failed its Good article nomination. This is how the article, as of March 28, 2024, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?:

There are several issues to the article layout:

The lead contains pieces of information that do not appear in the main text. For instance, the common name, "shaly jelly lichen", has no record or reference in the main text. An Etymology subsection under the Taxonomy section would be ideal, and if possible it should also include the etymology of the scientific name.
The Taxonomy and Distribution sections coincide in some of the information regarding where the lichen is recorded. I suggest separating the information firmly, with the distribution and geographical records going into the Distribution section exclusively, leaving only the taxonomic revision, synonymy and the original publication of the species in the Taxonomy section.
Speaking of synonyms, these appear in the taxobox without the necessary formatting. The authority needs to be displayed in smaller text, with perhaps the {{au}} or {{small}} templates, or even the <small></small> code. In addition, it is heavily encouraged that published peer-reviewed sources are used to justify putting those synonyms in the article. Taxonomic databases are not sufficiently reliable by themselves.

2. Verifiable?:

No plagiarism detected through Earwig's tool. However, all the references are incorrectly formatted or non-reliable. Two of the four notes appear to be attempts at references. Some refs lack any {{citation}} template entirely. Others that use {{cite web}} templates, titled "Altitudinal distribution (6 states)", "Poleotolerance" and such, link to nearly empty websites that have no relation to the lichen species, and thus cannot be used as valid references. In addition, only one reference uses the {{cite book}} template, and links to an archive.org item that apparently does not even exist, or at least has no author, date or ISBN, therefore it is not an existing book. Last but not least, no peer-reviewed scientific articles are used as references. Taxonomic databases and information systems are not sufficient alone to sustain the entirety of an article this large.

3. Broad in coverage?:

Pass

4. Neutral point of view?:

Pass

5. Stable?:

Pass

6. Images?:

Pass

The article has layout issues, but the more concerning issues are with the references. Solely from the state of the references, the article fails two of the five GA criteria, which results in an immediate failure. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns or doubts you may have about the nomination and the reference formatting that is required for WP:TOL articles.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far. —Snoteleks (Talk) 19:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on GA review.

@Snoteleks, Hi. Thanks for the review. I'll address and fix each issue promptly. However, there seems to be a misjudgment. Others that use cite web templates, titled "Altitudinal distribution (6 states)", "Poleotolerance" and such, link to nearly empty websites that have no relation to the lichen species, and thus cannot be used as valid references..
FYI, these are indeed related to the lichen species. These show the values of these chemical tests and interpret what value means. The values are mentioned in the parent source^[1]. At the end of each value data, they link to "info" which opens a new tab. I used those individual info tabs as sources instead.

Another thing is, In addition, only one reference uses the cite book template, and links to an archive.org item that apparently does not even exist, or at least has no author, date or ISBN, therefore it is not an existing book.

These are actually herbarium data CSV files. The wiki reference converter made the error using the book template. I'd fix that.

Last but not least, no peer-reviewed scientific articles are used as references. Taxonomic databases and information systems are not sufficient alone to sustain the entirety of an article this large.

While I do not disagree with this, though I'd like to mention that the ITALIC or similar databases used in the article are widely used in scientific peer-reviewed journals themselves. Also, the different herbarium data used are no exception. However, I'll go on to add multiple more peer-reviewed references.

The lead contains pieces of information that do not appear in the main text. For instance, the common name, "shaly jelly lichen", has no record or reference in the main text. It did actually. In the taxonomic revision sub-section. However, I've moved it to the etymology section now,

Thanks for the overall review. I've had my first GA recently and this was my second nomination. I'd do everything on my part to fix the addressed issues and make it pass as well. Regards. X (talk) 22:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Snoteleks. I have made all the corrections you've pointed and renominated it. X (talk) 03:11, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Unsuccessful. Fritzmann (message me) 22:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Enchylium polycarpon/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Xkalponik (talk · contribs) 03:11, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Wolverine XI (talk · contribs) 08:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

commonly referred to as the "shaly jelly lichen" Any need for the quotation marks
derives its name from its taxonomic history and ecological characteristics Doesn't make much sense
that are 5–7 x 1-1.5 Please write a proper measurement
high or very high levels or => to
suggesting a sensitivity to excessive anthropogenic enrichment of its substrate Please better phrase this
Enchylium polycarpon has a widespread global distribution, with records spanning across multiple continents. The species is known to occur in various regions of North America, Europe, Africa, and Asia. Unsourced
Cite 14 needs page nos.

Very well written. Just a few few things to address before I promote this one. Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 19:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Xkalponik: a gentle bump as at Talk:Enchylium limosum/GA1 to see if you're still around and interested in continuing this GAN. Best, Ajpolino (talk) 12:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As Xkalponik is now Xoak, pinging again just in case the previous ping didn't go through. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:05, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ajpolino, @Wolverine XI, @BlueMoonset, Hi to you all. Yes, I'm interested in continuing this GAN. I'd make the suggested changes soon. There's been a bloodshed in my country (Bangladesh). Things will take a bit of time to return to normal. There were internet blackouts and I had exams for which I took a wikibreak (it didn't occur tho due to the circumstances). I lost friends. Nonetheless, we're finally emancipated from tyranny and I hope to return to normalcy soon. X (talk) 12:18, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All, I am procedurally closing this nomination. The nominator is welcome to re-submit the article once they are able to complete the review process. Fritzmann (message me) 22:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

References

^ Nimis P.L., 2016. ITALIC – The Information System on Italian Lichens. Version 7.0. University of Trieste, Dept. of Biology, (https://dryades.units.it/italic), accessed on 2024-03-24. for all. All data are released under a CC BY-SA 4.0 licence.

Update

@Wolverine XI, Hi, I was away from Wiki for a bit and I'm back now. I've made the adjustments to the article that you suggested in the last nom, and have renominated it. Please have a look. Thanks. X (talk) 07:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Enchylium polycarpon/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Xoak (talk · contribs) 07:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: MolecularPilot (talk · contribs) 01:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I will be reviewing this article. Thank you for your work!

Well written

Pass. I have just completed a copyedit over the last 30 minutes, you can view this Help:Diff to see what I improved, [1]. It is very well written (just needed some small improvements), amazing work!

Verifiable

Provisional pass, pending spot checks. Most statements are support with an inline citation (except for the lead, which only seems to discuss things which are cited in the article body, and doesn't need cites per MOS:LEADCITE). All sources used are WP:RS. Would benefit from WP:SFNs due to the large number of papers cited, but this is not a requirement. No copyvios detected through both my comparison with the sources and Earwig's tool.

Spot checks

This GAN is On hold pending the correction of these! Thank you to Esculenta who completed the spot check for me (I was going to get around to it later but you beat me to it hahaha, thanks again!). MolecularPilot ^{🧪️✈️} 01:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"The absence of specialized lichen substances suggests that E. polycarpon likely relies primarily on the photosynthetic capabilities of its cyanobacterial photobiont, Nostoc, to meet its nutritional and functional needs." not supported by source
"Without the production of distinctive metabolites, the lichen may derive its required resources more directly from the photosynthates provided by the Nostoc cyanobacteria." not supported by source
"E. polycarpon exhibits a preference for substrates with a slightly basic to basic pH, with the species typically occurring on substrata with a pH of 5. This indicates the lichen tolerates and even thrives in environments with somewhat elevated alkalinity, in contrast to many other lichen species that favor more acidic conditions." not fully supported by source, which only says pH of substrata =5

Broad in coverage

Pass. Great work! :)

Addressing the main aspects: the article provides a detailed overview of it's taxonomy/how it is classified, the proprieties/description of various key parts of the lichen, biochemical aspects of it, where it is found and it's conversation status. This is basically all you could want to know about the fungus.
Staying focused: yes, provides a brief overview of each topic/part of the lichen/chemical aspect, including key details, but does not stray too far from the topic area.

Neutral point of view

Pass. In my copyedit, I read through the article and believe that it meets WP:NPOV, good work!

Stability

Pass per page history.

Images

Pass. Great work! :)

Image 1 - Enchylium polycarpon 229811.jpg
- Relevance: an image of the species in the infobox, pass.
- Licensing: CC BY-SA 3.0, confirmed by a Commons reviewer and myself. Pass.
Image 2 - Blue Solution.jpg
- Relevance: in an appropriate section as hymenium is part of the fruiting body, and the reaction shown is directly referenced in the text. However, the caption was misleading, making the reader think that it was a picture of the actual reaction you'd see with the lichen, but it's just a positive iodine test, not using the lichen but just an iodine solution per image description on Commons. I have updated this description now to better clarify that the image is representative of the reaction but not directly a photo of the lichen reaction (but it is a photo of a positive iodine reaction), therefore Pass.
- Licensing: CC BY-SA 4.0, own work by the uploader. The image is used across many websites as seen by a Google Images search, however the commons upload predates all of them so it does seem to be indeed own work. Pass.
Image 3 - Enchylium polycarpon 229813.jpg
- Relevance: section mentions ascospores, so image is relevant as it is depicting the spores. Pass.
- Licensing: Sourced from the same MushroomObserver post as #1. Pass.
Image 4 - Enchylium polycarpon found on calcareous rock in Italy.jpg
- Relevance: section discusses the spread of the lichen around the world, and the image provides an example of it being found in Italy, so Pass.
- Licensing: CC BY-SA 4.0. Source is here and confirms CC licensing, so Pass.

Comments

there are several issues with this article that haven't been addressed by the review, but I'll mention some of the more pressing ones: Esculenta (talk) 18:38, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: very helpfully a spot check was provided by this user, I've moved that to the spot check section now! :) MolecularPilot ^{🧪️✈️} 01:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
the remainder of the "Chemistry" section (most of which has nothing to do with chemistry) is an LLM-expanded "analysis" of the numerical values given in the summary chart on the source page, and ventures into WP:OR territory.

[:0-1] Nimis P.L., 2016. ITALIC – The Information System on Italian Lichens. Version 7.0. University of Trieste, Dept. of Biology, (https://dryades.units.it/italic), accessed on 2024-03-24. for all. All data are released under a CC BY-SA 4.0 licence.

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