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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Discussions:

Not moved, 15 October 2023, to ho-mobile, see discussion.
Not moved, 9 February 2024, to ho. Mobile, see discussion.
Not moved, 11 July 2024, to ho. Mobile, see discussion.

Requested move 15 October 2023

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus, due to inconsistent styling. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 15:53, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ho Mobile → ho-mobile – correct name; renamed without WP:CONS 2A01:E11:1A:990:C48D:248E:171A:8787 (talk) 10:01, 15 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Jenks24 (talk) 10:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, stylism not supported by secondary sources. 162 etc. (talk) 17:16, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
so what? if that's the official name we can't make up names. 2A01:E11:1A:990:61EF:2A98:6275:5B29 (talk) 18:24, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:OFFICIAL and MOS:TMCAPS. 162 etc. (talk) 22:59, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Ho-mobile.--Ortizesp (talk) 23:55, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, are you also supporting OP's suggested use of all-lowercase? 162 etc. (talk) 02:51, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support [1]

2.199.29.146 (talk) 10:00, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per MOS:TMSTYLE. There's no need to have this type of mere stylization in the article title. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:15, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment. Providing some reliable, independent sources showing how the company is currently referred to would go along way to making a case either for or against this move. Jenks24 (talk) 10:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose marketing stylism per WP:TITLETM, MOS:ALLCAPS, MOS:TM, pending a survey of English-language independent reliable sources. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I find myself more in favor of moving it to ho. Mobile (the period is always in the name[2][3][4][5][6][7]) Offans (talk) 16:06, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose A review of news sources shows that the styling is all over the place. Relevant policy is WP:TITLETM, MOS:TM and MOS:TMLOWER (more specifically). Per WP:TITLETM, we should use standard English styling unless there is clear evidence of another consistent styling in sources. WP:TITLETM also directs us to MOS:TMLOWER. MOS:TMLOWER gives further advice and clarification. Looking at MOS:TMLOWER, I see that this article is more like the example of Adidas than iPod. The guidance in toto would therefore support the existing title. I do see some examples of ho. Mobile and a tendency to ho Mobile. The former is definitely out because the full stop mark creates a significant issue of readability. WP:TSC would advise us to avoid this too. ho Mobile might be considered an alternative. However, I am not convinced that this tendency to lowercase ho is sufficient to override the inherent readability of standard casing (eg Ho). If adopted, there is also the issue of readability if placed at the start of a sentence and whether it should be capitalised in such a case. There is no search issue arising from using Ho instead of ho that might otherwise justify using ho. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:46, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Cinderella157 what do you think about moving the page to ho. Mobile as I suggested? It seems more appropriate, and the sources call it "ho. Mobile". Offans (talk) 07:05, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The former [ho. Mobile] is definitely out because the full stop mark creates a significant issue of readability. WP:TSC would advise us to avoid this too. Cinderella157 (talk) 07:17, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 9 February 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 17:27, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ho Mobile → ho. Mobile – Correct name of the company^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

References

2A01:E11:1A:990:9DBC:CA01:AD79:A83 (talk) 10:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, stylism. This was discussed, with the consensus being "Not moved", only 4 months ago. 162 etc. (talk) 16:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 11 July 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Still consensus to use WP:TITLETM's clause regarding lack of consistent stylization. Favonian (talk) 10:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ho Mobile → ho. Mobile – Real name of the sub-brand operated by Vodafone (which also fits perfectly into the criteria of WP:AT).^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

References

InterComMan (talk) 09:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, stylism not consistently used by secondary sources. As a matter of fact, even one of the references cited by OP spells it "Ho Mobile." [8] No evidence that anything has changed since the two RMs we've already had. 162 etc. (talk) 16:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the article you cited says "ho. Mobile"... InterComMan (talk) 16:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are 7 instances of "Ho Mobile" in that article, and 6 instances of "ho. Mobile." Like I said, not consistent. 162 etc. (talk) 20:12, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
but if you see the official website and most of the articles, it is called ho. Mobile InterComMan (talk) 07:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move. This is a stylization. O.N.R. ^(talk) 17:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Old Naval Rooftops Stilization? It's the brand name... InterComMan (talk) 19:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as closer of previous RM. WP:TITLETM would seem to indicate that in this case, due to the lack of consistent stylization, we should default to standard English sentence case. Its also important to note that per WP:OFFICIAL, it is irrelevant what the "official" stylization is. Bensci54 (talk) 13:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pls see WP:NCCORP#Capitalization. InterComMan (talk) 16:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose stylism per MoS:TM and prior comment by 162. Discussed and "Not moved" only 4 months ago. Again. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Page title

Hello, @162 etc. mentioned me in this diff the talk about the name of the page. Starting from the fact that the title of the page does not necessarily have to coincide with the introduction, then we must consider that the name "Ho Mobile" is completely incorrect, since the "." is a distinctive sign of the brand. If we really do not want to insert "ho." or "ho-mobile" as the title of the page, we could opt for "Vodafone Enabler Italia", which is in fact the company name. Let me know what you think. Darkerme (talk) 18:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NCCORP#Capitalization: "Unusual capitalization abounds in commercial marketing. Wikipedia does not apply any of it to organization names except when a strong majority of independent reliable sources do so."

See the above discussions - there is no evidence of a "strong majority" here. Reverted. 162 etc. (talk) 20:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there are^[1]. Anyway, do you agree with the last part of my message about moving it to Vodafone Enabler Italia? Darkerme (talk) 09:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Vodafone Enabler Italia" does not appear to be the WP:COMMONNAME. 162 etc. (talk) 17:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

^ "Ho Mobile - Google Search". www.google.com. Retrieved 2025-01-04.

[1] ttps://www.ho-mobile.it/

[2] ttps://www.ho-mobile.it/facebook

[3] ttps://www.instagram.com/ho.mobile/?hl=it

[4] ttps://www.ho-mobile.it/youtube

[5] ttps://www.hdblog.it/smartphone/articoli/n587006/ho-mobile-offerta-nuovi-clienti/

[6] ttps://www.tuttoandroid.net/news/2024/07/08/ho-mobile-100-giga-5-99-attivazione-1049663/

[7] ttps://www.tomshw.it/smartphone/con-ho-mobile-hai-200gb-in-5g-a-meno-di-10eur-al-mese-per-navigare-al-massimo-della-velocita

[8] ttps://www.linkedin.com/company/ho-mobile

[9] "Ho Mobile - Google Search". www.google.com. Retrieved 2025-01-04.

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