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GA Review

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Passed. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: BeanieFan11 (talk · contribs) 02:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: WikiOriginal-9 (talk · contribs) 04:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
  • Add period after Dartmouth in lead.
    • Done.
  • Lead needs expanded.
  • Any source for Barney being his nickname?
    • Added to body with a source.
  • Any source for "Sr."
    • I based it on his son being Karl Jr., but I'm not finding any sources saying he's Karl Sr.... removed for now.
  • Add "Karl Leavitt Thielscher" to the body since that was his birth name.
    • Done.
  • New high school infobox formatting.
    • Done.
  • His PFA profile says he was with Dartmouth from 1913 to 1916 and was a three-year letterman. Add that to the body and infobox.
    • Added.
  • Added cats: Baseball players from Massachusetts, American military personnel of World War I, National Football League officials
  • Added commonscatinline.
  • Link team captain in early life.
    • Done.
  • "returning to his alma mater as an assistant coach" what sports?
    • Clarified.
  • Need to add coaching cats
  • is there a link for Aviation Corps?
    • Hmm... I'm not sure. Would Aviation Corps be the Air Force?
  • "Thielscher was given the rank of lieutenant." No source
    • Moved around and added a source.
  • Is there a link for Camp Robinson?
    • Four newspaper matches for "thielscher camp robinson" (1) but none specify the place. I see several Camp Robinsons at Camp Robinson – not sure if it was one of those or which one it was...
  • That note needs sources.
    • Added a ref.
  • link fair catch.
    • Done.
  • "After APFA official Eugene W. Garson was severely injured in a Buffalo All-Americans game" The heck? That's gonna need some details, lol.
  • "He officiated their game against the Columbus Panhandles, a 38–0 win for the All-Americans." No source.
    • Added some details about his APFA officiating.
  • "In 1923, Thielscher returned to his alma mater of Dartmouth College to assist the coaching staff" What sports?
    • Clarified.
  • "both of which" shouldn't that say "both of whom"?
    • Done.
  • "couple had two sons, Karl Jr., and David, both of which played college football at Dartmouth College." Remove College and just put Dartmouth, Dartmouth College was already spelled out two sentences before.
    • Done.
  • "Madison Avenue Presbyterian Church" looks like there is a link for that (Madison Avenue Presbyterian Church)
    • Done.

Nice research again. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 18:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 268 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article meets eligibility criteria. Was promoted to GA and nominated within 10 days of the promotion. Strange that no one has picked up this review for over 30 days. All good there, nevertheless. Adequately sourced. No issues with tone or neutrality. Earwig shows no issues with copyvio. QPQ done.

Re: the hook, it seems like the interestingness stems from the fact that a player turned officiator (umpire / referee) within a year of retirement, albeit in this case as a backfill for an injured officiator. That said, I want to check if we can identify any other interesting hook. Happy to go with the current one if the nominator believes that this is a sufficiently uncommon occurrence and hence is interesting.

Re: the usage of the hook, the article needs to be updated to include the hook's content directly in the article. Can easily be done by updating the sentence in the article. Once done please include the source at the end of that sentence(s).

The source for the hook is a synthesis of two sources, one showing the retirement from a database and the officiating story from a newspaper archive. Which is perfectly alright. Please include as noted in the above paragraph.

Returning back to the nominator. Ktin (talk) 17:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC) Ktin (talk) 17:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktin and BeanieFan11: I was about to suggest the following:
ALT1 ... that former player Karl Thielscher was thrust into becoming a referee for the American Professional Football Association when one of the regular referees was injured? (Note: I tried including the "within a year of retiring" aspect, but doing so put it above the 200 character limit)
However, it seems to contradict the article. The article suggests that he was already a referee a month after retiring, meaning he was already had refereeing experience when the injury backfill happened. In which case, maybe the following would work better for clarity purposes?
ALT2 ... that Karl Thielscher began refereeing American football games less than a month after retiring from playing the sport professionally?
The issue I think is that the mention of "All-American" and the relevant context in the original hook may be confusing to a non-American football fan, even though the bones of a good hook fact are there. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:42, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11 and Ktin: Are there issues with the two new hooks? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the hooks are okay. I'm not sure if I made it clear enough in the initial hook, but what I thought interesting about that was not only that he was an NFL (then APFA) official within a year of playing, he specifically officiated games for the team that he had played for within a year (i.e. thought it might be interesting as having been a potential conflict of interest – he plays for an NFL team one year, then is the referee for their games the next). BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:58, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that point was lost in the wording of the hook, so while that angle had potential, it might have not been as accessible as alternatives. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:01, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Folks, I did not have access to edit WP over the week. Just regained. ALT2 looks alright to me. I have struck the other hooks for ease of readability. Marking approved. Would have preferred the hook statement being used as-is (or close to as-is) within the article rather than left to inference. But, in the grand scheme of things that is alright, I guess. Ktin (talk) 16:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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