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SoCal Val

When did she start becoming the valet for Lethal? I know that's where the storyline is going, but I have yet to see her escort him to the ring. Of course, I haven't seen the latest PPV, did she escort him then? If she hasn't yet, then why is she listed under valets? Someone let me know please. --James Duggan 01:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Rick

Wats happend to him he is still on the tna website why is he not on this one —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.128.194 (talk) 22:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Austin Creed

He Debuted as part of Team Pac Man, when they lost the belts to Tomko and Styles. He then was pulled off the air as Pac Man and Ron Killings both left. So shouldn't he just be listed as Inactive Talent right now, not as yet to debut? LessThanClippers (talk) 18:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I don't believe he was contracted when he appeared with Team Pacman, it was more of a trial match. He did well, so they signed him. But is there even a source that is now contracted? Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
WrestleZone reports he wrestled in a Dark Match with Sonjay Dutt against Hoyt & Rave before last night PPV. Of course, that could be because he is from the area. --James Duggan 22:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Jay Lethal and Sonjay Dutt

Arnt these a stable? If they are should wikipedia put them down as one —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrispowellathome (talk • contribs) 06:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

No. They haven't actually teamed together in months. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 14:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

But they are a stable on Online World Of Wrestling --81.99.45.0 (talk) 09:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)chrispowellathome

merger

this otta be mergeed with either the TNA page or the impact page... yes or no? DeftalC3AU (talk) 04:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

why S-PAC54 12:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Anderson & Fairplay

Are we waiting for them to offically sign to add them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.78.175 (talk) 20:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

yes S-PAC54 05:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Article Name Change

Can a name for this article be agreed upon? It is ridiculous that the name changes daily! The same thing is happening to the WWE Roster page. See Talk:List of current World Wrestling Entertainment employees. (72.86.84.121 (talk) 21:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC))

New wrestlers

Question 1:

With all of these guys coming in for the World X Cup, should they be included on the active roster?

If a source can be found that they actually are signed to a contract and not working on a by-apperance basis. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

If they can't be added to the main roster, could they be given a special category of their own due to the World X Cup?

Vjmlhds June 13, 2008 21:50 (UTC)

Question 2:

Should Karen Angle be added to the active roster now that she (kayfabe) signed an "official TNA Knockouts" contract? This new contract was signed so Kurt couldn't lay a hand on her, but it also makes her open season for the other knockouts (as evidenced by Kong's attack).

Vjmlhds June 13, 2008 18:21 (UTC)

They just said "official contract." Val has a contract and never wrestles. Karen's new kayfabe contract (since she was obviously signed prior in real life) is likely the same. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

The reason I asked about Karen is because this could be seen as similar to Armando Estrada on ECW, who was brought in as GM and signed himself to a wrestler's contract.

I think Val is different because it was specifically stated that Karen signed a "TNA Knockouts" contract, and Val is considered as merely a ring girl who is engaged to Jay Lethal.

Vjmlhds June 13, 2008 21:53 (UTC)

World X Cup Teams

I wasn't actively editing when the last X Cup occurred so I was wondered will we be adding the teams to the stables and tag teams section with The Machineguns and Team 3D like Team Japan and Team TNA? I would agrue that they should be added until the X Cup ends as technically the list is active tag teams and stables in TNA (defined as those appearing on iMPACT!). I submit to the rest of the project that these X Cup teams are just that. 69.182.87.136 (talk) 07:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)JakeDHS07

Daivari

Why is he on the Main Roster, he's only there for the X Cup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.26.30 (talk) 22:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe after all the members on each team have been announced.--Will

C 07:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Announced as in on TNA Television because we already know that Team USA is Shelly, Sabin, Curry Man, & Kaz. Team Mexico is Ultimo Guerrero, Averno, Bucanero, & Volador Jr. Team Japan is Milano, Doi, Yoshino, & Ishikari. Team International is Daivari, Kozlov, Dux, & Williams.

Traci Brooks

I don't think Traci Brooks should be on the inactive list. Traci Brooks worked the last set of house shows, however was not used at the Impact tapings. She works EVERY live event for TNA Wrestling. I think she should be removed from the inactive list. TNAFan1980 (talk) 01:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Source? Gavyn Sykes (talk) 01:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

You can find the results from TNA Wrestling Live Events on ANY wrestling related websites.

06-20-08: Traci & Roxxi defeated Angelina Love & Velvet Sky (Bloomington, IL)

06-21-08: Traci & Curry Man defeated James Storm & Jacqueline Moore (Danville, IL)

06-22-08: Traci & Roxxi defeated Angelina Love & Velvet Sky (Cincinnati, OH)

I think it’s silly that we rush to move people to the inactive list just because they didn’t appear on Impact, yet are still working regularly. Traci worked the three Live Events before the last set of TNA Impact tapings, but no one in TNA Wrestling has worked a TNA Wrestling related show, since because none have been scheduled. Traci is clearly not inactive.TNAFan1980 (talk) 16:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Doug Williams

Re-add him he's in the company, signed at the same time he did his World X Cup Contract. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.72.141 (talk) 02:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Somebody keeps removing him even though it was announced that he signed.--WillC 02:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Active vs Inactive.

I think we should come to a consensus on what constitutes being put on the inactive list.

You know the "guilty until proven innocent" statute?

I think we need an "active until proven inactive" statute?

That is:

Unless there is documented proof as to why one should be put on the inactive list (injury, wellness suspension, etc.) that we assume that they're still on the active list.

This way there is no room for ambiguity.

Who's with me?

Vjmlhds July 20, 2008 18:48 (UTC)

Not me, if they are inactive, they are inactive. If a wrestler is not around for three months, but there was never any information about why they are not active, are you telling me you would still list them as active? -- iMatthew T.C. 18:54, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, only because they just might show up the next week, and we have to put them back on the active list.

As I have been told many times, this is an encyclopedia, and that we deal in fact. For all we know, someone like Black Reign always comes to the Impact Zone and winds up sitting around twiddling his thumbs because the writers don't have anything for him.

That's not his fault if he's ready to go and they don't use him.

If there's something else afoot, and it's documented, that's different.

But if it's just because they don't want to use him, he is still part of the roster, and should be recognized as such until proven otherwise.

Vjmlhds July 20, 2008 19:02 (UTC)

-- Jay lethal--

why isn't jay lethal on the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.244.205.202 (talk) 01:42, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Move Debate

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The result of the proposal was Move. A side note, the page was moved via "cut and paste" back in May, which required a history merge, so the history since then might be a little confused if you're searching for a specific edit. Parsecboy (talk) 16:00, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

The WWE roster page is now located at list of World Wrestling Entertainment employees. As this is the same type of article and the template has been set I move for this page to be moved to list of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling employees or move the WWE one to include the current part. They should match is what I am saying. To be consistent. JakeDHS07 19:59, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Check why the WWE one was changed first. Take this to WT:PW.--WillC 20:01, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

The WWE roster page is now located at list of World Wrestling Entertainment employees. Total Nonstop Action Wrestling is listed with current added. As this is the same type of article and the template has been set I move for this page to be moved to list of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling employees or move the WWE one to include the current part. They should be consistent. Thoughts? JakeDHS07 20:06, 9 August 2008 (UTC) Links: WWE- list of World Wrestling Entertainment employees TNA- List of current Total Nonstop Action Wrestling employees.

No because an outside user moved them and they made a reasonable point because "current" is a meaningless word, the other article is for alumni, not 'former'.--SRX 00:59, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
List of World Wrestling Entertainment employees would mean every employee WWE has ever had. Current makes you know that it is the current roster.--WillC 01:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you understand, employee means that "they are current" workers employed by WWE. The WWE Alumni article is self explanatory and is obvious that is for alumni, who are former workers that were employed by WWE. The same with the TNA article.--SRX 01:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but this isn't about the Alumni page. This is to rename the Roster pages for WWE and TNA. I believe current is better. List of WWE employees is okay but it makes you think that is is a list of all of WWE's employees over the years.--WillC 01:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
That is what the alumni pages is for, which is why the "current" is not needed as that is being bold. Although links to the alumni pages should be included in the respective lists.SRX 01:44, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
For what its worth I agree with SRX. Alumni is clear that is former employees. Current is not needed as it is implied both from the presence of the alumni article as well as viewing the article it is apparent that it is current employees. JakeDHS07 08:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done -- iMatthew T.C. 11:13, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Why have you put resolved and done on this when it hasn't been done? JakeDHS07 05:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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Mickie Knuckles

Why is Mickie Knuckles in the alumni section and not in the Inactive section? There have been zero reports she's signed any deal with World Wrestling Entertainment as noted (and misspelled for that matter) on her own article page. Hot Stuff International (talk) 18:41, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

She was removed from the roster page on TNA.com. IPs are adding she went to WWE. But she isn't with TNA at the moment. Remove the WWE stuff.--WillC 20:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Kaz

Do you think we should add next to Kaz's name that he'll be returning as the fictional character "Suicide" from the TnA game? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.4.211.247 (talk) 15:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Kaz 2

I think Kaz should be put on the alumni until he comes back or anything else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seegers6188 (talk • contribs) 01:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

It is possible but he is still under contract which makes him apart of the roster. He has to be released from contract to be alumni.--WillC 01:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

The Motor City Machine Guns

It says The Motor City Machineguns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.127.253 (talk) 11:39, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Mercedes Steele

She hasn't made an appearance since her first one but she did sign a contract, so she should be put in the inactive section. BlackFrostFan (talk) 15:41, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Table format

I want everyone to know I'm working on this article to switch it to table format. I have for a few months but been slow at sourcing it. I'll switch it to table format after everything that is happening with the WWE roster is fixed. Ips and other users want to change it back to the old way and I would rather not have an edit war on this page so I'm going to wait to finish it and place it in here after that is sorted out and people are okay with the new format. When I do introduce my finished product I'm going to take it to FL so please if anyone has any problems talk about them here and not undoing everything. Edit warring is against the criteria.--WillC 21:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

For gods sake the wwe roster page is ruined, dont screw up this page as well - just leave it how it is. JayExperience 21:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

It has to be changed, anyway I've been working on making this article a table since July. Way before the discussion ever started on the WWE page.--WillC 19:33, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

TNA Originals

At Turning Point last sunday Mike Tenay and Don West refered Creed, Williams, Young, Lethal, MCMG, Styles and Joe as the TNA Originals. that needs to be changed. JayExperience 21:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Super Eric

It should be noted that he wrestles as both Super Eric and Eric Young so he should be listed as Super Eric/Eric Young. JayExperience 21:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

New

Click On My Name And You Can See A TNA Employee Page That You Can Edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewWeaver1 (talk • contribs) 17:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

User pages are not for article space. You'll need to move it to your sandbox.  Hazardous Matt  19:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Really it would be no use since I'm working on the article here. No reason for two to be working on it.--WillC 20:49, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Main Event Mafia

Shouldn't They Have A Manager section For Sharmell? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewWeaver1 (talk • contribs) 17:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I had one in the article but removed it since it took up too much room and it is mentioned besides her name in the on air talent section.--WillC 19:30, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Backstage personnel

Why did my sources for the backstage personnel get removed and replaced with personnel with no sources what so ever. I'm reverting to my old revision since I could find no source that Dutch Mantel actually works for TNA.--WillC 20:59, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

its an rule that we established was that if a officially tna product or printed document is sources. info on the source and what stated is considered accurate due to tna not being a publicly traded company, and most cases, backstage personal is not available online. I will post the following names with the printed source

Steve Allison - Chief Marketing Officer (Name and position available in TNA impact video game insert in the "company info" section)

Just click Reference at the top, and write inside of it TNA Impact The Video Game hard book like so <ref name="TNAhardbook">TNA Impact The Video Game hard book</ref> That should work.--WillC 05:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Andy Barton - Senior Vice President of Live events (Name and position available in TNA impact video game insert in the "company info" section)

  • Like so <ref name="TNAhardbook"/>

Brian Hughes - Chief Operating Officer (http://www.tnawrestling.com/content/view/650/84/) and (Name and position available in TNA impact video game insert in the "company info" section)

  • Place bside him in the article this <ref name="VP">{{cite web|url=http://www.tnawrestling.com/content/view/650/84/|title=TNA & Joe Hand Promotions Team Up|date=2008-03-25|accessdate=2008-11-20|publisher=TNA Wrestrling.com}}</ref>

Chris Sobol - Vice President of Operations

  • Official TNA press releases states

"Panda Energy also appointed Chris Sobol, the Panda Manager of Business Development, as TNA Vice President of Operations" on July 26th, 2007"

You can also find Chris Sobol's name mentioned on several TNA articles from tnawrestling.com as "Senior Vice President". This is the same case as Shane/Steph McMahon in WWE mentioned as, but hold greater positions.

Bring a source still.--WillC 05:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Dutch Mantel

In fact, the new TNA trading card set features a Dutch Mantel card in which it states he holds backstage creative duties. link to associate Mantell with TNA. (http://www.wrestleview.com/news2006/1174467888.shtml) and (http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2008_/1215028890.php) and (http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/TNA/Dot_Net_Exclusive_More_details_on_Konnan_s_lawsuit_against_TNA_printer.shtml)

  • Lordsofpain and pro wrestling.net are bad refs. The wrestleview is fine.

Savio Vega (http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/article/227674306.php)

  • <ref name="mantel">{{cite web|url=http://www.wrestleview.com/news2006/1174467888.shtml|title=Clarification on TNA's booking process, and Abyss described as 'insecure'|date=2007-03-21|accessdate=2008-11-20|publisher=WrestleView.com}}</ref>

Bad reference for Vega.

wiki user (NickSparrow)

That what you need to do. Sign post with --~~~~ Please revert all your edits and do as I say. You just removed more references.--WillC 05:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Name organizing

I think the table should be organized as "Last name (A.J. Styles) and Ring Name (Booker T or Curry Man). Having Curry Man in the "m" section is not the best way of organizing. Since his ring name starts with c, he should be placed properly in the "c" section, and man is not his last name. Same goes with Brother Ray and Brother Devon, Ray and Devon is not their last names, but part of their ring name, which both should be placed properly in the "b" section. Who else agrees?

--NickSparrow (talk) 19:49, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. They should all be categorized by the first letter of their second name, either it be a last word of a ring name or just a plain last name. It keeps consistence, which is something this page has yet learned to do.--WillC 19:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree with NickSparrow, why confuse people by having Curry Man in the M section, Shark Boy in the B section, etc. The Jay Experience 21:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

For consistency. Either they be categorized by last name of their ring name or they be categorized by their first name of their ring name. Either way it must be consist. The WWE page has chosen to be categorized by the second word of their ring name.--WillC 04:22, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree with JayExperience. Its to complicated under your format or organization. I think to fix the problem to where both sides are happy is just organize by whatever their first letter is (may it be their name or ring name). Abyss, A.J. Styles, Booker T, Curry Man, etc. Until then, you should honor my and Jay's viewpoints, as its everyones page, and unless we get get some people against my proposal, a new consensus should be voted on it. Fair is fair?

--NickSparrow (talk) 04:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

It should be taken to the WT:PW then. This decision also effects the WWE roster page. The discussion should take place at that talk page or WT:PW since this one does not get enough attention.--WillC 04:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Complaints

If you have a problem with changes made to this page or would like something changed in it please state it here to prevent edit warring. As in how wrestler names should be categorized. Should Booker T be in the "B" or in "T" section is an example. It would be much appreciated.--WillC 19:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

- this page is messed up...i mean what's with all the references to everyone?

  • my idea is that remove the references of the Male, Female Wrestlers and Other On-Air Talent but keep the references for Corporate Management because not much is known who exactly works on the Corporate side of the company also for the section of people who just signed with the company then the page wouldnt look soo messy. - Spike7000 7:47, 20 November 2008
The references must stay. Without references the article falls under original research. Everything must be sourced or it is not allowed to stay in the article. A source must be presented for everyone. The references can be moved to the notes section of the table if people want.--WillC 04:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Considering Booker T is not a full name and just a ring name i think it should be in the B section, whereas if it was James Storm for example he should be in the S section because he uses a ring name with a surname, same goes for Kurt Angle, who uses his real name in the A section. The Jay Experience 01:28, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Lose the tables

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The result of the proposal was  Not done

This is for a vote to change back the page. The tables look terrible and if i change them to look half decent someone just changes it back so if you support the move to get rid of the tables say support if not say oppose. voting will last for one week. and i Support the move obviously. The Jay Experience 21:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

i Support the move - User:Spike7000 8:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

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I understand your concern, and myself am not a huge supporter of the table format, but I know wrestling lover put a lot of time and effort into the table formats, and we should honor any changes to the layout here. Me and him have clashed on and off, but we both can come to an understanding, as we both want whats best for the page, may it be different viewpoints. --NickSparrow (talk) 04:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

This poll does nothing. It is against WP:Consensus. There will be no change even if there are more supports than opposes.--WillC 03:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Just the same note I gave to the WWE page, organize by real name and not ring name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.30.198 (talk) 22:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

it seems that more and more people are against the change. even if someone did put a lot a work in it it does not mean that their change should always stay.CMJMEM (talk) 03:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

also the was no WP:Consensus made to change the page.CMJMEM (talk) 03:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

You've tried this once before, and you were blocked for trying to turn the vote it your favor and for the 3RR. It was decided on per a vote, and because it did not go the way you wanted it too does not allow you to do whatever you want by removing images and trying to restart the vote when a good amount of time has not passed. There are around four or five editors who don't like it. It was voted on 14 to 2. Even with the ones that don't belong to the project removed it was still 7 to 2. After a good amount of time has passed can there be a re-vote.--WillC 03:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

i see no vote on this page. also i'm not calling for a vote at this moment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CMJMEM (talk • contribs) 03:12, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

The vote is in the archive of the WWE Roster list. That vote effected all roster articles. There is not enough users to convert all roster articles to tables, so some have yet to be converted.--WillC 03:16, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

a WP:Consensus has to be made on every page before a major change.there is also no time table to change WP:Consensus so a vote can take place at any time. this is wikipedia not wrestlingloverpedia.CMJMEM (talk) 03:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Not nessercarily, if it is agree upon by the project then it effects everything. Just like adding the results table to every ppv. It is also for consistency issues.--WillC 03:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Hector Guerrero

I had to change this since whoever had his real name as Hector Llanes doesn't know Mexican naming conventions. Guerrero is his paternal surname, while Llanes is his maternal surname. The paternal surname is the one used in everyday life, making his name Hector Guerrero, not Hector Llanes. --James Duggan 21:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Christian Cage

Isn't Christian going back to the WWE?YoMamma6188 (talk) 01:24, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

That is speculation. He is still under contract with TNA.--WillC 02:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

As with the WWE roster page, pictures should be limited to the following:

Champions (Sting, Booker T, Kong, Beer Money)

GM/Authority figures (Jarrett and Foley)

Top executives (Dixie Carter)

Only change them when they are replaced in whatever role i.e. new champions, new GM etc.

Thanks.

Vjmlhds 22:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I just placed whatever images I could find when I placed them in there. Also you forgot X division Champion in your list so he can also be used if a suitable picture is not found of other champions.--WillC 23:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

sorry did not know this had been talked about.i believe that the photos make it look to cluttered.CMJMEM (talk) 03:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

As long as the pics are limited to Champions and GMs, it's not too bad.

We don't need everybody and their grandmother up there, but a few pics of those in the upper echelon add some color to what would be a dull article otherwise with just the tables.

Vjmlhds 04:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

We need a picture of Bill Banks or Dave Oliver for the Other personnel section. I believe each section should have a photo that is decent.--WillC 04:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

If you can find one, great, if not, that is the one section that live without a picture, as none of those people are in the public eye anyway.

Vjmlhds 04:49, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

It might be worth saying since an active discussion is going on here that a discussion involving User:CMJMEM is at WP:ANI. If anybody wants to comment. SteelersFan-94 04:55, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Table Presentation

Has any thought been given to fixing how the tables are presented on this article? Unlike the tables on the WWE Employee page, the tables here are so unaligned and sloppily put together a good portion of the article is pretty much unreadable. They need to be re-sized badly. Hot Stuff International (talk) 13:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree, if you thought the WWE roster page was bad, this is a whole lot worse. The Jay Experience 06:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, how? The tables are the same as the WWE page. They are just not centered because in my mind it is sloppy to have them centered. The size of the tables are the same as the WWE as well.--WillC 05:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

At the very least fix the "Other On Air Talent" section; it looks as if it were put together in two seconds with a second's worth of thought. Horribly put together. Hot Stuff International (talk) 08:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

What, that some of the names span two roles?--WillC 08:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

It looks like utter shit. But if you're happy with it, what more is there to say? Hot Stuff International (talk) 14:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I fixed the tables so that the names fit into each box (Ring Name & Real Name), and the references are in the Notes box...just like the WWE Employee page. But I'm sure this will be overridden within a matter of minutes by Wrestlinglover! Why do we even try to contribute anymore... (LucyDoo (talk) 03:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC))

Excellent! It looks exactly as it should have from the start. If he were to revert your helpful fix, he'd be quite the moron. Hot Stuff International (talk) 04:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect. I like what you have done.--WillC 03:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
That's it. I'm tired of this shit. I'm the one that spent my own time to expand the article and give it references. I said I liked what she did to the article. There is no reason for you to act so arrogant. You could have told me what was wrong with the article instead of bitching about it. In all due respect there is no reason to seem so high and mighty when I was trying to talk about the problems and you were being starcastic.--WillC 04:53, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Referees

I was in the midst of putting referee's into their own table, to have more space for additional on air talent. Plus, if we have 4 individuals for one position, it makes for better organizing to have a referee table. In a matter of 10 seconds, it was reverted back. Last time I checked, its a wikipedia members page. Just my 2 cents. Anyone agree?

As for spanish announce team, they should be listed under other personnel since they are not "regular" tna on air talent.

--NickSparrow (talk) 23:50, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

The referees table is fine. But why do you never discuss it before you do it? You move Hector and Willie to other personnel section when they are normally seen on tv all the time. Commentators go in on air section. Plus you repeatedly remove sourced workers for the company. Karl White is on TNA wrestling.com and is sourced but you have removed him multiple times.--WillC 23:54, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Sounds good. By explaining it to me, there is no need for a edit war. Would be nice if it was resolved this way all the time. We can leave it how its been. As I said before. Im a very easy and compromising guy. You were okay with my edits to the corporate management section, therefore in return, I will let the other on-air talent section stay as is. --NickSparrow (talk) 00:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Go ahead and make a referees table. The wwe article has one and as I see on TNA Wrestling.com they have five referees which is reasonable. I'm all for changes to the article to make it better but discussion needs to take place more. If the article was fully protected it would make this easier but there is no reason for that. I'm find with the changes that have been made lately but it would be better if people would just discuss everything more often. That is what this article is for. For making decisions to the article and not bitching like some lately have been doing or taking shots at people.--WillC 00:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
As I've said they are regulars. Tenay and West introduce them almost every Impact. They are seen on the Spanish broadcast of the show aswell.--WillC 23:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Thats fine, but the other on-air talent is becoming a rather large table, when by simply giving refs their own table, will clear up the main roster portion. We all want this table to be nice, neat, organized, and accurate. I have nothing againt you, as you have done some great work, but you need to chill on some aspects and work with the other members to work as a team on this page. their and my views on edits/changes counts just as same as your. There are things you will like, but others wont, and vice versa. I find it disrespectful that you quickly revert the page, when I made this edit, without consulting with me or discussing it. Its everyones page.--NickSparrow (talk) 00:01, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I reverted not just because of the referees table. I'm fine with that. add it. I just mainly reverted because of Hector being moved and Willie and someone else's name being removed in the process. I'm all for discussion. But everyone just bitches and will not say anything. I also immediately following reverting contacted you on your talk page but you refused to reply on my talk page.--WillC 00:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the referee's table, before I give them their own table, where is the best location on the page? Roster or Corporate Management?

I have considered renaming the Corporate Management section to "Additional employees" and by placing "Other personnel" as a category in that section. Since Referees dont really count as corporate management or active roster members.

Just wondering what everyone thought, before I made any changes?

--NickSparrow (talk) 00:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I would place it under On Air Talent, where it use to be when the article was bullet points.--WillC 00:34, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Naming order

What way does everyone want the order of names to appear in the article. By first ring name, last ring name, first real name, or last real name?--WillC 05:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The way it is organized currently is okay with me. I believe WWE roster is organized by first letter in their ring name. Both ways are proper ways or organizing.--NickSparrow (talk) 19:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The problem there is no consistency. It should either be done by the first letter of first word or the first letter of the second word. AJ is in the S section and there are others who go by their last name and some go by the first letter of the ring name. It needs to be consistent.--WillC 20:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I see your point, but for as long as I can remember, thats how this page has been organized, consistant or not. There will always be someone to change it. To clear it all up, take a look at wwe's roster page, and their organized by first letter in their ring name. Batista is in the "b" section, Cody Rhodes is in the "c" section. I like that way. By implementing it here, booker t will be in the "b" section, Shark Boy in the "s" section, Samoa Joe in the "s" section, Eric Young in the "e" section, and so on. Even on tnawrestling.com and wwe.com, this is how their roster is organized. That way, everyone is on the same page.--NickSparrow (talk) 20:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Fine with me. Going by first letter is fine as long as they are all in the right section. Though I would perfer by real name but whatever.--WillC 21:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Alright then, have we all decided to officially state that the way this page will be organized is by the first letter of their ring name (may it be their real name (Kevin Nash) or other name (Abyss))? That way, this page will be consistent on organizing this page. Unless anyone is against it, I will start the changeover tonight and work on it into tomorrow. Will, I will try and take care of the male and female wrestlers, if you or anyone else would like to help out, it would be greatly appreciated in other ares of this page.--NickSparrow (talk) 20:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, It should have Abyss at top, Angle does not follow. He will be in the K section.--WillC 22:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I took care of part of the page. Male wrestlers, female wrestlers, and other personnel need changed. I will try and work on it some more later today, but im taking a break for a few hours.--NickSparrow (talk) 21:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Suicide

Suicide should go under unassigned talent since he is debut soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.127.253 (talk) 00:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Problem is, no one has a reliable who is playing him.--WillC 01:03, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Correct. I'm wondering if the person who get's "fired" at the end of the year,will re appear like Chris Daniels did last year. SteelersFan-94 07:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Debuts

Al Snow debuted last night as Kurt Angle's new associate, interfering in his match with Rhino and Suicide (portrayed by Kaz) debuted attacking Alex Shelley. The Jay Experience 07:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Problem. We do not know if Snow's appearence was a full time thing or one time. Plus there is no reliable source that says Suicide is Kaz. Just a bunch of rumors.--WillC 09:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
PWInsider confirmed Kaz played Suicide and Al Snow is scheduled for this weeks tapings. http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=35137&p=1 --NickSparrow (talk) 21:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
PWinsider is not a reliable source.--WillC 23:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Have you gone CRAZY Will?!?!?! PWInsider IS a reliable source. If they are not, then who is? Tell me now. Canamerican (talk) 03:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Wrestling Observer, WWE.com, TNA Wrestling.com, ROH Wrestling.com, WrestleView which is marginally reliable, so it can't be used here, Canadian Online Explorer, PWTorch, and that's all I can think of now. PWI is reliable. PWinsider is not.--WillC 04:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I ask for people to quit saying that Kaz is Suicide without providing a reliable source, so that the article follows guidelines within wikipedia. Until a reliable source is presented Kaz should remain in Unassigned talent and Suicide should remain unknown.--WillC 08:01, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Tanahashi & Volador

Are they still apart of the TNA roster? The Jay Experience 05:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

They were never part of the roster. They were from CMLL, whom TNA has an agreement with to use their wrestlers on a semi-regular basis.--WillC 08:01, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
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