Talk:List of Impact Wrestling personnel/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Two Talents

Two talents who were big names in WWE have apparently signed with TNA according to Pwinsider. Someone with elite site access there please post those names. (Aallen1995 (talk) 20:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC))

Kevin Sullivan

Is the Kevin Sullivan under other personnel the same as the wrestler Kevin Sullivan or not? (Aallen1995 (talk) 14:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC))

ECW Alumni

Tony Luke, Guido Maritato, The Sandman, and Sabu were all given contracts with TNA on August 19, 2010 so whoever is removing them from the list stop it please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aallen1995 (talk • contribs) 22:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Recent Changes

We'll leave it some time to cool down to discuss the edits. Once agreement's been reached, send a request to unprotect. Cheers, Poor Yorick (talk) 10:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for protecting it. I hated that it had to be protected, but if this makes people discuss than just acting, it will help. Now will everyone please leave their problems and complaints here. Please discuss more about changing than just complaining because complaining does not help the article at all.--WillC 10:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Agreed with Will. Thank you Poor Yorick. Cheers, JakeDHS07 11:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

What's the beef?

I assume it's the Kaz/Suicide thing, correct?

Vjmlhds 14:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

That and Christian's status seem to be argument points. Cheers, JakeDHS07 20:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Plus no one wants to discuss, they just want to act. Everything should be discussed, from moving, removing, adding, and changing people. Crap people have been acting and a few references were removed as a result that did not need to be removed.--WillC 22:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)--WillC 22:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Well let me get the ball rolling as far as discussion goes.

1. Christian is a TNA guy (albeit inactive) until something comes out that says his contract is up and he's a free agent.

2. PWInsider is the one who reported that Kaz is playing Suicide. They're usually pretty reliable when it comes to stuff like this.

Agree?

Disagree?

Let's count heads here and see how it goes.

Vjmlhds 22:55, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Well considering it is widely known that Cage's contract is up in December, it just matters which day. But until someone brings a reliable source that states he is no longer under contract, he shows up in another promotion, or shows back up on Impact!, I guess he should stay where he is. PWInsider is not a reliable source according to the project's style guide. A source from Wrestling Observer, not a source from a site that credits The Wrestling Observer, but the actual source is needed; or one from another reliable source such as PWTorch or Canadian Online Explorer.--WillC 23:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

100% with you on Christian, the way it's noted on the roster now is exactly the way it should stay, and anything different will be incorrect.

I'll poke around the Observer and the Torch to see if there's something there I can reference to put the Kaz/Suicide thing to bed.

The Kaz/Suicide thing is one of deals where you know who it is, you just gotta prove it.

Vjmlhds 23:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

True, I agree it is probably Kaz but Kaz is still injured and the last time I looked there was the possiblity that Suicide could be Amazing Red.--WillC 00:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Agreed on the Christian part however hate to burst your bubble Will but Suicide cant be Amazing Red for two reasons, A) He no longer works for TNA, and B) He hasnt returned from the surgery he had on his knees yet, his return is set for December 13th. Cheers, JakeDHS07 08:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying he is Amazing Red, I'm just saying at one point it was rumored to be Amazing Red.--WillC 08:52, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Rumors have no place here. This is a encloypedia. :P lol Cheers, JakeDHS07 10:53, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, Shaun you didn't own me. You must not be able to read very well, though you were drunk yesterday when we talked. I know rumors aren't allowed without a reliable source, I'm just saying that it was once rumored to be Amazing Red. That is why we need a source. Now, talk to you later Timmy.WillC 10:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Why is there protection

Is there a reason this page has been edited until March 9th, 2009. Thats absolutly the most dumbest thing I have ever seen if true. The page is already not up to date. Imagine what it will look like come March. I also love how, I was in the middle of getting the page properly organized, when the protection was put up. So not only, is a few names out of date (curry man, suicide, kaz, stables, etc.), but the page is half organized properly. So now the page is worse off then ever before, because at least it stayed up to date for the most part.--NickSparrow (talk) 03:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Also people were not discussing. They were just doing and the page needed protection because of the Suicide stuff. There are administrators from the Pro wrestling project who can edit the page. A consensus is need first. Curry Man can be changed, Suicide and Kaz are fine since no one has given a reliable source that Kaz is Suicide and it has been rumored to be Kaz, Amazing Red, Chris Daniels, and even Low Ki.--WillC 04:01, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Nick Aldiz needs to be changed to "Brutus Magnus", as the hype videos started this past week. I read that Kaz injured himself again at the last set of tapings, so it puts him on the shelf, and the "Suicide" gimmick in question. Plus, the male wrestlers still have to be organized correctly.--NickSparrow (talk) 04:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

The Magnus thing I can see needs to be changed. Plus no good source that states that he is Kaz has been presented yet. You've given no rleiable source that Kaz is injured again. Also the male wrestlers being organized is not that important at the moment.--WillC 04:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Its important that the page is presented correctly and properly, so therefore...IT IS IMPORTANT...that the page is organized properly. Here is the source on Kaz being Suicide. "http://www.wrestleview.com/news08/1228770993.shtml". Do you ever take the time to look for references. Its not that difficult, lol.--NickSparrow (talk) 04:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Christopher Daniels is Suicide (Confirmed with correct source)

http://www.wrestleview.com/news08/1228770993.shtml--NickSparrow (talk) 04:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

That is not going to get the page unprotected though. If it is unprotected then the samething that last time is going to happen. Edit war after edit war. I'm trying to be civil here so if I sound like I'm not then sorry. WrestleView is only reliable for results per the Lockdown 08, No Way Out 04, WrestleMania 24, and Armageddon 06 FAC reviews, also next time give the link because you need the ref template for those to work properly.--WillC 04:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I did, but since we dont have a references category for this page, the references directed you nowhere. So I put the whole link in for everyone to view. Its just a shame that this page is so out of date, when it can be easily edited. Also, no need to get upset with me, I post sources, and you immediately take offense to it. Like you dont want anyone to even help out to find sources, like you take pride in loving to redo anything anybody trys to help out on if you didn't come up with it. I do my best, post sources on what I have to work with, but I feel like you have all crapped on me, because I try and help, I try my damn best to get this page organized, and you all put a protection on it, when I think you all knew damn well, I was in the middle of organizing this page. Real shame what has come to this page.--NickSparrow (talk) 04:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you should do some research because I'm not the one that got it protected. I did not go an ask for protected and certainly not for three months. The admin choose three months by looking at the history of no one talking and just acting like that please. I understand how you feel. I just go by the rules. Look at WP:PW/MOS. Look at the sources section. Under reliable sources, those are the only sources that have been proven reliable and only two or three of those can be used for such a thing like Kaz being Suicide. Don't blame me. I'm the one that took the time to convert the article to table. I'm the one that found the 100+ sources and I see people removing sourced names because they don't believe it. If everyone would discuss then maybe this article would not be protected. Be upset at the ones that did as they pleased. Not me.--WillC 04:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

There is only one source at the moment that has been proven reliable and has said Kaz is Suicide. The only probelm it is one line and does not tell how they know. It is by the Wrestling Observer. Before it can be used though, it needs to be decided at WT:PW that it tells enough that it can be used to source that Kaz is Suicide on his page and on here. Plus in Final Resolution 08 December when I'm finished writing the article. Credit goes to Mshake3, who found it and presented it on Kaz's talk page.--WillC 05:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Whichever you think is best. Im just trying to figure out a way to get the kaz/suicide argument resolved. Even with the source you or I mentioned. It would be better to use them, until a more reliable one becomes available. No matter how hard we try to make everything 100% accurate, someone will always edit it. If we can all agree on that, and kudos to the user who finds a more reliable source, just for the sake of this page to move on. That, along with Magnus and Curry Man edits, and me finishing the organization of the page. Everything should be accurate, and no one will have any reason to edit this page, unless someone is fired, hired, injured, or championship changes hands. Also if a name change happens. Thanks man.--NickSparrow (talk) 05:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

The most reliable sources used are Slam Sports, PWTorch, and Wrestling Observer. WrestleView was considered on their level until FAC reviewers decided it was not and they were the ones who proved it reliable in the first place. I'm just compelled to get this stuff to a higher level. Look, this page has been protected since the 9 (a week) and no one really has noticed. Barely anyone works on the TNA section. Most of this section is terrible. If I can make it better than good. That is all I'm trying to do. Maybe after another week or two this article can be placed up for unprotection because an edit war will begin back as soon as it is unprotected.--WillC 05:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Who?

Who is the person who has promos airing for his debut? Kofi9192 (talk) 17:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Brutus Magnus has had promo's airing for his TNA debut. In actuality, its Nick Aldis, the recently signed Gladiator.--NickSparrow (talk) 01:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Notes

Put the notes in smaller print like list of World Wrestling Entertainment Employees. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.127.253 (talk) 21:05, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

That is discouraged. It makes it harder to read.--WillC 21:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Daffney/Sarah Palin

Since Daffney has been portraying Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin and appearing regularly (every week) on TNA Impact for the last month or so, shouldn’t she be added to the “Other On-air Talent” list? TNAFan09 (talk) 01:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

A source needs to be presented that she is signed and that is Daffney.--WillC 01:56, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Dave Meltzer, Mike Johnson, and many other wrestling websites have all confirmed that it was Daffney and any wrestling fan who has watched wrestling also knows that it is Daffney. If she is appearing regularly, and does not have a contract, why shouldn't she still be added. TNA contracts are not like WWE contracts. TNAFan09 (talk) 02:03, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

A source needs to be presented. Not saying they have reported. A visable source must be given. The page is for contracted wrestlers. Not anyone who just shows up. A source must also be abtained that if they are working without a contract that an agree has been made between them and TNA to work a certain amount of time with them.--WillC 02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Kong-tourage (Kong/Saeed/Bolt/Khan)

During a recent edition of TNA Spine Cycle (the Holiday edition on TNAWrestling.com), Sojourner Bolt announced that the new alliance of Awesome Kong, Rhaka Khan, Sojourner Bolt, and Raisha Saeed has been dubbed “Kong-tourage” (a play on Awesome Kong’s name and Entourage) and then made mention that they have big plans for 2009. TNAFan09 (talk) 02:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

One mention doesn't mean they are a stable or that is their official name. It took Beer Money more than two months to figure if they were Beer Money or Beer Money, Inc. It would be better to wait and see if they team together. So far there has probably been one tag team match with them and Bolt I don't believe has even been seen with them that much.--WillC 02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Mike Tenay & Don West mentioned "Kong-tourage" several times tonight the Awesome Kong/Madison Rayne match. They even stated Awesome Kong and Christy Hemme's match at Genesis would feature the Kong-tourage, Roxxi, ODB, and Taylor Wilde as Lumberjacks. TNAFan09 (talk) 02:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Unassigned Talent

We need to rename this section. The name may work for the WWE, as they have three different brands and developmental, but TNA doesn't have that, so it seems like an inaccurate name. I was thinking Inactive Talent, but that doesn't quite work anymore with the new format. I'm leaving as is until we can find something accurate. --James Duggan 09:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I moved Brutus Magnus to the main roster, as promos have aired for his debut and tnawrestling.com has him listed as a TNA superstar on their roster page. As for the remaining two, Doug Williams and Christopher Daniels/Curry Man, why not add them to "Other Personal" with their roles being "wrestler" and brief text of the current where abouts?--NickSparrow (talk) 07:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Teams/Stables

I just wanted to point out that the wwe roster now has a separate page for their teams/stables listing. I have no problem with that, but the teams/stables was removed from this page with no TNA teams/stables article created. It is considered vandalism to remove the content until that separate article is created, then all team/stable info can be transferred there. Until then, it stays on this article.--NickSparrow (talk) 18:09, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Wasn't trying to be a vandal, I was just trying to get the page to match up with the WWE page, that's all.

Vjmlhds 22:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Whats the point? We don't have to be consistent here. TNA only has a handful of tag teams. No reason to create a seperate article. I say they should stay here and no seperate article be made for the TNA side, but that is just me.--WillC 00:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Will. There is not many teams/stables within TNA, and the page is fine as is.--NickSparrow (talk) 05:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually there are about the same number of teams in WWE as there are in TNA. It's just that they're spread out over 3 brands.

Also, I'm confused as to why on the WWE page having the teams listed caused such a stink, but it's fine here.

Vjmlhds 14:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

In this Thursday's iMPACT! episode, the Team Jay Lethal and Consequences Creed was called "Lethal Consequences" by the comentators (if I remember correctly by Don West at the End of the match). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agiese (talk • contribs) 16:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

TNA/IWGP

Vjmlhds has made the statement that the IWGP champions should be represented on the TNA roster page because Angle was once referred to as the IWGP Champion because he defended it at a TNA PPV. I submit that they should not be listed for the following reasons:

1) They are not TNA championships and this is a TNA list.

2) The recognizing of Angle as a IWGP Champion was a one off occurence as no other TNA roster member has ever been mentioned as a IWGP champion or even be seen with their IWGP Championship such as when Tomko held the tag titles, Team 3D currently holding the tag titles and the Motor City Machineguns being the current IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Tag Team Champions. These listed reigns apart from Angle's are not recognized, used, mentioned, or otherwise acknowledged by TNA therefore I feel they should not be listed. Rather then enter a edit war like the one that got the WWE page protected I came here to achieve consensus first. Cheers, JakeDHS07 05:07, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

He wasn't even the IWGP Champion. He was the IWGP Third Belt Champion (an unrelated title in the Inoki Genome Federation). I agree with you. It was not a TNA title and only appeared in TNA for a few weeks. After a few weeks he stopped appearing on TV with the title and they stopped referring to it. The title no longer even exists (it was merged with the real IWGP Championship). TJ Spyke 05:37, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Shawn you are right on a few things. They only mentioned Angle as IWGP Third belt champion for a brief time until Global Impact came out but TNA did show Tomko with the IWGP Tag Team Championship and even acknowledged it multiple times. Plus Team 3D and MCMG won the their respective titles in a TNA vs NJPW wrestling show in a way; it was mainly NWJP's show but it featured the TNA name. I haven't watched Genesis yet but I heard Tenay and West acknowledged MCMG's win in Japan at Wrestle Kingdom. I feel there is no harm mentioning them in the page, but I can understand why it should not be mentioned. I'm neutral in this position. No reason to mention them because they aren't TNA titles, but it was a co-involvement with TNA and NJPW that will eventually be mentioned and so will MCMG's and Team 3D's wins in G.I. 2.--WillC 05:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

TNA has mentioned the Wrestle Kingdom show, but not the actual title win (at least on Impact, I haven't watched Genesis). We don't mentioned other titles on the roster page (i.e. we didn't mention when Jeff Jarrett was NWA Cyberspace Heavyweight Champion). TJ Spyke 06:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

It is possible that TNA Wrestling won’t mention the IWGP Championship wins for Team 3D and the Motor City Machineguns until the matches air on Global Impact in February. If after Global Impact airs, and Team 3D/Motor City Machineguns wear and defend their respected championship in TNA, could we then add them to the roster page? TNAFan09 (talk) 21:52, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Shane Sewell

He appeares more as a referee so shouldn't he be put under referee's as say Occasional Wrestler? Benton Tigers  20:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

He was fired as a referee. Simon \\ KSK ^{Yes we can!} 20:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Shane Sewell was back to refereeing matches during TNA Impact this week. I agree with the first post, Shane Sewell should be listed with the other Referees, with a note saying Occasional Wrestler. TNAFan09 (talk) 21:10, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Why?

why is the page protected? I never saw a problem with everybody Markin it, but I guess some of you just like to Bark about it. HAHAHA  Markin And Barkin  22:30, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

This page is not protected, Sinofdre-oh sorry, Mark. WWE employees is. Simon \\ KSK ^{Yes we can!} 22:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I went to try 2 edit it and it was protected. and wat u mean Sinofdre-oh sorry?  Markin And Barkin  22:38, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Edit Request

Petey William lost a "Loser Leaves Town Match" during the February 10th taping, which will be aired on February 12th, and is legitimately done with TNA, so therefore should be taken of taken out of this article. I found this information on www.lordsofpain.net if anyone was wondering. Thanks!

unreliable source. Simon^KSK 01:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Nwo50150 (talk • contribs) 01:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} Move Daniel Covell to inactive with following note. (kayfabe) fired as Curry Man. Cheers, JakeDHS07 03:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually move him to "Unassigned Talent" due to him not being on the roster at all (a la Kaz after he "quit").

Two other requests:

1. Akira Raijin will be using the ring name Kiyoshi (as per the brackets in the X Division tournament on TNAWrestling.com).

2. Move Jeff Jarrett to the active list, as he'll be main eventing Genesis against Kurt Angle, and kayfabe-wise temporarily stepped down from his role as Founder (giving Foley full control) and concentrating on wrestling.

Thank You.

Vjmlhds 04:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Wait until the article is unprotected, please. Thanks! --MZMcBride (talk) 05:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Petey Williams/Lance Rock/Jimmy Rave Released

Just wanted to post that Petey Williams and Lance Rock (Hoyt) have officially been released from TNA. Here is a source via wrestleview

http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1234332542.php?style=dark

PWInsider.com is confirming that Jimmy Rave has also been released from TNA. Here is the source via pwinsider

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=36458&p=1

• Once a more reliable soure states the release, I will add it here.

--NickSparrow (talk) 06:49, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Suicide

Suicide is played by Kaz and Christopher Daniels. It says it on Daniels page and You can tell by the moves he used this week on Impact!. Pills4  18:19, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

This is pretty much common knowledge however any edits making said mentions requires a reliable source. If you can find one that complies with WP:PW Rules then by all means drop by my talk page and let me know otherwise it'll just have to stay the way it is. Cheers, JakeDHS07 05:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I found a reliable source (wrestleview) confirming Christopher Daniels is currently portraying the Suicide character.

http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1233183828.php?style=dark

--NickSparrow (talk) 07:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Doug Williams/Clayton Douglas?!

Why was Doug Williams’ in-ring name changed to “Clayton Douglas”? TNAFan09 (talk) 17:58, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

No idea.--WillC 03:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

The Beautiful People or Mi Pi Sexy?!

Lately on TNA Impact, Angelina Love, Velvet Sky, and Madison Rayne have been referred to as both the Beautiful People and Mi Pi Sexy. So is Beautiful People the “Tag Team” name and Mi Pi Sexy the “Stable” (or Sorority) name? TNAFan09 (talk) 18:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

The entire group are called The Beautiful People. Mi Pi Sexy is a nickname. Like The TNA Front Line have Frontline, Young guns, Young lions, etc.--WillC 19:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Debut-Unassigned Talent

Trevor Murdoch is returning to TNA this thursday as Jethro Holiday. The Amazing Red is returniing with Paul London as a tag team. 65.0.54.193 (talk) 23:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't mean they are signed talent.--WillC 00:59, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Tazz

you should had Tazz to the Unassigned Talent. YanT5 (talk) 02:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

No reliable source given that he is now under contract.--WillC 06:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Another real name list I saw

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/list-of-tna-roster-with-ages-real-names-with-corrections-76893

The only real difference is in James Storm's name. While the list (from the Wrestling Observer Newsletter) has the one we have, Bill Behrens lists it differently in his correction. --James Duggan 14:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Alyssa Flash?

At the time of writing this, Sarita's TNA iMPACT debut is coming up, and she'll be wrestling one, "Alyssa Flash" (note I might be spelling Alyssa wrong). I see her nowhere on the list. 24.226.21.207 (talk) 01:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Elijah Burke

Arent U going 2 say anything about him returning at Hard JusticeMastercarr (talk) 01:55, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

No, because he said he has not signed with TNA via Twitter.--WillC 02:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Kevin Nash/Kevan Rymer

I took the liberty of changing Kevin Nash's ring name back to Kevin Nash. It had been altered to read Kevan Rymer, yet the only Kevan Rymer I've ever heard of is an indy wrestler with the GWF (who aside from a recent knee injury, has nothing in common with Kevin Nash) 76.214.13.234 (talk) 02:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Smokachu13

Lethal Consequences

Should they have there own page because i tried creating a link to Jay Lethal's page and it directed me to this page but they are a former tag team championship they should have there own seperate page --Kevmicester2000 (talk) 18:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

They are not notable. Notability is established by reliable sources and importance in professional wrestling. Just by winning a championship they have not become important at this time.--WillC 00:07, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with this assessment for several reasons. The first is that the guidelines you've set out for notability seem somewhat dubious in the event that the team does not meet them. As is clearly stated in several professional wrestling pages (particularly those for championships), titles in wrestling are bestowed upon wrestlers by the company itself based on attributes and kayfabe pushes. As a consequence, if TNA puts the tag team titles on Lethal Consequences, they feel them notable. And if you're going to consider TNA a noteworthy wrestling promotion (which goes without saying), then you have to consider their choices for who they push as fairly heavy measures of notability. Furthermore, although it could be argued that their reign was too brief to be considered worth mentioning, their championship victory was the first piece of gold brought to the TNA Frontline after the stable established itself (barring Eric Young's X-Division title win later ruled invalid). Given that Turning Point 2008 and Final Resolution 2008 (the two pay-per-views following the formation of the Mafia and Frontline) both featured clean sweeps for the Mafia, this championship win can be considered (and was, on-air, acknowledged as) the first victory for the Frontline against the Mafia, even if indirectly. Since both the Mafia and the Frontline have their own pages, and since it is unquestionable that the storyline feud is and will be noteworthy for quite some time, it's not unreasonable to say that the team which scored the first indisputable point for the Frontline is a noteworthy team. Furthermore, and this point is merely superficial, the TNA Employees template features no less than six unlinked items, while the WWE Employees template features none, and I can say with some certainty that it will always. The assessment that being in TNA doesn't in itself lend at least some degree of notability further enhances the perception of TNA as a glorified Indy league, a perception which has not been reasonable since 2004. However, as stated before, this point may be nothing more than a personal peeve of mine, and it is the first two points that I wish to make this argument on. IanOberon (talk) 06:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree on making them a page. They are former tag champs and a recurring team. I've seen pages for in my mind less notable teams (I can't think of specifics) so my vote goes for a page.Freebird (talk) 14:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

New TNA Knockouts Champion

Cody Deaner seemingly won the belt at Hard Justice 2009. I'd love to add it to the page myself, but the coding is just too much. Could someone take care of it for me? 24.36.37.224 (talk) 18:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

They announced ODB as the champion at Hard Justice and she is listed as such on TNA's site. No change.--WillC 18:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

But Didn't "Judge Foley" Hold up the title?--Wwe.fana (talk) 08:44, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I went and looked it up to be safe. The title is currently vacant.--WillC 08:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

TNA.com still credits her as the champion, therefore she's obviously still the champ. I also took off the note about Velvet being the only member of TBP left, it was uncessary, if there's no one else in the faction she's no longer in on herself. I also added that Roxxi as she has stated herself in numerous reports, is wrestling her upcoming match under a guest appearance spot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.106.224 (talk) 16:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Knockouts Tag Team Title

I have a question...

With TNA establishing a Knockout's Tag Team Championship, should we list the female tag teams in their own section (directly under the women's roster) or just clump them in with the male teams under "Tag Teams and Stables"?

Vjmlhds 12:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Tag teams, it is not meant only for the males. It is meant for all teams.--WillC 21:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, it depends on how the tag teams are established once the title is won. At the moment, they've been placed together so you can't really list any official teams unless proper feuds are announced. The now ended TBP and Kong & Saeed are the only two teams established well enoguh to be listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.106.224 (talk) 16:37, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

TBP aren't dead yet. Not until No Surrender will we know for sure. TNA may get Love back under contract depending on how long it takes for her to get a visa again, plus they forgive Rayne on a future episode of Impact, so for now Sky and Rayne are still together. Plus since on the next two weeks of Impact, Love and Sky are still together.--WillC 17:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

She could be banned from the US for up to 10 years after discovering she'd been working for the company illegally in the first place, I don't think there's any way of her coming back soon and if this is all true and happening, the comapny could be fined for allowing her to work in company- whether they knew or not- given that there's a sliim chance she'll be taken back in the first place. But I agree if there are still two or however weeks in them, they're not dead for now. But if she is gone from the company, TBP shouldn't be listed as its going by what's current. At current, there are no members until stated or shown otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.106.224 (talk) 16:35, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

You are wrong, Madison Rayne and Velvet are united. So the team should be listed at this time.--WillC 19:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Surely you should go by what the tapings show unless its a signing or release. For example, when i tweaked Raisha Saeed to appearing as Alissa Flash, it was changed because it had not bee seen yet. No one has seen Madison or Velvet unite, so therefore until it happens you can put it up there. I never said I was right, I'm saying you should go with what's current and seen, the same went with when Tara won her title, it was listed from when the tapings were shown, not from the actual day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.106.224 (talk) 21:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm not saying put Sky and Rayne up there, I am showing The Beautiful People still exist. Love and Sky have two more appearences together before No Surrender, so they are still a current team. Then on the September 17 Rayne will be a member again, making them a stable once again. Then at No Surrender, they will just be a tag team if TNA does not decide to break them up again.--WillC 22:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

TNA Originals faction?

I would like to know why we still have TNA Originals listed a a faction. They are referred to as TNA Original's when working together in tag matches, but they never work as a faction/stable like World Elite or mEm. If anything, the only member's should be Styles, Daniels, Storm, and Roode. When in the last few month's has Creed or Lethal come out to help Styles or Daniels? Or when has Styles worked as a unified unit with Shelly and Sabin

• Except for the Riot last month, but that mainly turned into two sides. Face and Heel.

I propose that unless they are more established as a faction by October 1st. We remove them.

--NickSparrow (talk) 16:23, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

You got a source they are dead?--WillC 21:51, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a source they are together? Do you even watch the product? Find me a official TNA source that say's "Tonight, two members of the TNA Originals will take on.... or AJ Styles representing The TNA Originals will face....". Find me a source that they are a collective faction? Give me a soundclip of their theme music? What's their logo? Do they have a shirt or merch?

--NickSparrow (talk) 02:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

They teamed recently, and Roode, Storm, Styles, and Daniels are still seemingly allies on TNA tv. Plus The Front Line shirts are still on sale.--WillC 06:02, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Pictures

Ok fair enough, but I think you should keep the commentators pictures since non-wrestlers cannot be champions.--عيسى (talk) 15:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Division

Also, shouldn't we include another column that states the division of each wrestler? i.e. Heavyweight, X Division and Tag-team?--عيسى (talk) 18:08, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Probably not, as each wrestler can wrestle across two or three brands e.g. Alex Shelley is in Tag Team and X-Division or more recently added, Suicide is in X-Division and Heavyweight. Division doesn't mean the same here as it does in say, Soccer.95.145.253.95 (talk) 04:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Bubba the Love Sponge

His Real/Legal name is: Bubba the Love Sponge Clem. He had it legally changed in 1999. His drivers license says "Bubba the Love Sponge Clem" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.97.179.97 (talk) 11:30, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? TJ Spyke 20:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Scott Steiner

cant he be put under unassigned talent or removed. --- http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1265380987.php?style=dark 72.155.243.65 (talk) 02:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Errors!

There's been errors all over this page. I don't know how to multi-correct. Can someone fix this page?--Yugiohmike2001 (talk) 00:46, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

What are these errors?--WillC 08:26, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Wolfe/Styles/Flair faction?

It appears that those three seem to be working together A LOT as of recently. Surely they should be considered as a group or faction and be put in the stables section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.237.106 (talk) 14:51, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Not until TNA states they are a group. It is OR otherwise.--WillC 17:46, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I think what happened at destination x was enough. Flair coming with to Wolfe's valet? Wolfe coming down to help Flair and AJ out? i m sure its a faction now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.237.106 (talk) 17:36, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

X-Division

I don't know if this has been brought up before but do you think the male wrestlers section should be split into an x-division section and a heavyweights section. JasarDaConqueror (talk) 07:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Nobody answered so I did it. JasarDaConqueror (talk) 02:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

People adding Spoilers

People keep putting in this article that Kevin Nash & Scott Hall (The Band) are the new TNA World Tag Team Champions, but this hasn't been showed on TV or recognized on TNAWrestling.com yet, after reading the spoilers for the next Impact! they say that this does happen but surely you should add things to this page until recognized by TNA, am I right? Jeffhardyred (talk) 14:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Spoilers are allowed if a reliable source exists to cover them.--WillC 16:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

New Signings

Former WWE Diva Mickie James has now signed with TNA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.101.248.220 (talk) 10:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Stables and tag teams

why did someone get rid of this section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.237.149 (talk) 05:31, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

See WP:PW.--WillC 06:24, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Here's the thing.

It doesn't matter to me if there is a tag team/stable section or not.

But we either do it for WWE, TNA, and ROH, or we do it for none.

We can't have it for one and not the others.

Gots ta be consistent.

Vjmlhds 15:51, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Man screw that. Put the stables and tag teams back up there. The King Gemini (talk) 08:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Put stables and tag teams back for both. It is good information for those that are just getting into pro-wrestling. After all, wikipedia is supposed to educate those that do not know the full facts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.79.168.215 (talk) 21:50, 10 November 2010 (UTC)