Talk:Los Solidarios/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Grnrchst (talk · contribs) 12:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 08:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Image review

• File:Salvador Segui (CNT).JPG: US PD tag is needed at Commons.
• File:MartAnDic1925.jpg: US PD tag is needed.
• File:Soldevila y Romero.jpg: could you add further details of the source (year of publication, editor, publisher, isbn, page)?
• Could you add a map about Spain/Catalonia? Borsoka (talk) 08:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Borsoka: I've replaced the photographs of Seguí, Anido and Soldevila with ones that have clearer authorship and publication information, which should unambiguously show them in the public domain. I've also added a map of Catalonia within Spain, with the borders of the time. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Source review

• Academic sources are cited.
• Either name or delete the place of publication at each source.
• Could you add oclc to each source?
• Paz (2006): ISBN is missing. Borsoka (talk) 08:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Borsoka: I deleted the publication places and added oclc numbers. I think you missed the ISBN in the Paz citation, it's always been there. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Indeed. My eyes cheated me. Borsoka (talk) 02:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Comments

• I would mention that Catalonia is in Spain in the first sentence of the first section.
• The government responded... Central or regional government?
• Delink political repression.
• Consider linking Labor movement in Spain to "organised working class"
• Consider mentioning that Barcelona is the region's largest city.
• Introduce Marseilles as a French port city/city.
• ...half of all workers... Could you add a number?
• Introduce Donostia as a city in northwestern Spain/the Atlantic coast of Spain/...
• A translation or explanation for the name Los Justicieros?
• Introduce the pistoleros with two or three words.
• ... applied to ley de fugas to imprisoned workers Explain it with two or three words.
• ...but Buenacasa dissuaded them. Why?
• ...to assassinate King Alfonso XIII... I would make it clear that he was the Spanish king, because we have not been informed that Spain was a monarchy.
• I would mention Spanish Morocco at the end of the first sentence in section "Founding".
• Introduce Antonio Maura.
• Mention that the Victoria Theatre is in Barcelona.
• Introduce Liberto Callejas and Gregorio Jover (workers/...).
• Explain the term "yellow syndicalism" with two or three words.
• I would link the Catalan independence movement to the "independence of Catalonia".
• ...was edited by Ascaso Which of the two?
• Introduce Tomás Herreros, Juan Manuel Molina and Joan Montseny, and other peoples first mentioned if possible.
• Delink anti-militarism. Borsoka (talk) 09:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Borsoka: I think I've addressed all of these. Ping me if/when you have further notes. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Introduce Anido and Arlegui.
• Could the use of the term "bourgeoisie" be avoided in the article? As I grew up in a country in the Soviet Block, I cannot regard it as a neutral term. Of course, if a sentence presents a leftist PoV, the term's use is quite natural: "Los Solidarios warned the conference that, despite the re-established peace, the bourgeoisie would continue their attacks against the working classes."
• Los Solidarios discovered that the pistolero leader Ramón Laguía was hiding out in Manresa. The group suspected him of having murdered Seguí. Could the two sentences be consolidated?
• Introduce A Coruna as a city in northwestern Spain/Galicia.
• ...Joan Rusiñol... Is "ñ" a letter in the Catalan alphabet?
• At his trial, Ramón Mendizábal, the Basque trader Durruti had been accused of robbing, said he had not reported Durruti and declared his innocence to the judge. I do not understand.
• ...until the end of the period of pistolerismo When?
• ..., who left for Valladolid the following week. Delete.
• ..., which they felt the need to confront in order to stop it Delete.
• They held Archbishop Juan Soldevila, the head of the local pistoleros... Was he indeed the head of the pistoleros?
• ...the assassination's path of escape... Is this grammatical? Not assassins'?
• A link to Xixón? Introduce it as a town (?) in Astúrias.
• Introduce Inocencio Pina, Luis Muñoz and Antonio Mur.
• Introduce Garate, Anitua y Compañía as a firm/company/....
• Introduce Duro Felguera as a firm/company/....
• A link to Civil Guard?
• I would radically shorten the fourth paragraph of section "The Coup of 1923": in an encyclopedic article, we do not need a detailed information of a robery and its aftermath.
• Avoid the use of informal terms like heist and ammo.
• ... the Picasso files... About what?
• ...to take control of the country... Rephrase.
• Introduce and link PSOE. Borsoka (talk) 04:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  Addressed most of these comments. Responding where I feel it necessary:

  • Paz doesn't specify the number of workers in Barcelona at the time, only that the CNT had 375,000 members and it organised one in every two Barcelona workers;
  • The use of "bourgeois" in Spanish literature is usually neutral, referring to a specific class dynamic in Catalonia (which was ruled by an industrial business-owner class, while most of Spain was predominantly ruled by the aristocracy). I've neutralised most cases to "business owners", which is more descriptive, leaving the one case you mentioned (with quotation marks);
  • Ahhh the "ñ" issue; it actually wasn't uncommon to use it in Catalan at the time (see the names of Santiago Rusiñol and Teresa Mañé) although it has quite definitively fallen out of favour over the past century;
  • Attempted to clarify the thing with the trial. It was a bit muddled. Let me know if further clarification is needed;
  • I misread the thing about Juan Soldevila, he actually provided pistoleros with the church's protection, I don't think he was operationally involved;
  • I've trimmed the robbery paragraph, but not sure about cutting it down much further. I'm happy to summarise, but I think some of the details are worth keeping.

  --Grnrchst (talk) 16:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)