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Coverage of the 'Israel-Gaza war' since 7 Oct 2023

Jones has been covering the situation in Gaza extensively, consistently arguing, among other things, that Israel is committing a genocide and that many Western governments (including the UK's) are complicit, yet no single mention of that is currently to be found in the article. Should this be added? 2A02:8070:8E82:E0C0:698B:CFC8:5742:8895 (talk) 20:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are not permitted to make contributions (including on talk pages) related to the Arab-Israeli conflict unless you have an account that is 30 days old with 500 edits. That is a formally designated contentious topic; please see your user talk page(click the word talk next to your signature above). 331dot (talk) 21:24, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is indeed odd that the article doesn't mention OJ's writing on the Gaza conflict at all. The bulk of his Guardian writing from 2024 was about the conflict and was highly critical of Israeli actions and other countries' reaction. It's not contentious to document this. --Ef80 (talk) 15:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Concerted campaign to hide his sexuality

There are pernicious forces that are preventing Owen Jones being labeled as gay on Wikipedia, despite him marrying a man.

One would expect to find it in the "Personal Life" section as a bare minimum.

As far as I know, it is standard procedure on Wikipedia to label a person's sexual orientation if they have revealed this information themselves. Even more so if they campaign in this topic as Owen has.

For example, take rapper Lil Nas X.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lil_Nas_X

A group of people have been "minimising" the sexuality of activists and even some performers on Wikipedia, and it's time this is called out. I am outraged as a homosexual myself. We will not be silenced or made invisible.

Don't believe me? Follow the trail. 2405:6E00:236:932D:2AE6:F6C1:EA92:D25C (talk) 11:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saying there is a conspiracy is a serious accusation requiring serious evidence. (But see WP:OUTING) I'm supportive of gays, but no sources have been provided by you. Per WP:BLP, you need a source. 331dot (talk) 12:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry That came out a bit harsh. I can provide evidence of "revision monkeys" deleting gayness off Wikipedia (it's hard when you can't search deleted strings in history), but that's for another topic. Nothing personal.

Owen Jones is just an example of a broader problem:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/owen-jones-i-was-targeted-because-im-gay-and-im-a-socialist-095304893.html

If he wasn't a gay activist but just gay then his sexuality wouldn't need to be so prominent. But even I'm willing to admit that without his prominent LGBTQ activism (with a socialist slant) he would just be another mediocre journalist. 2405:6E00:236:932D:2AE6:F6C1:EA92:D25C (talk) 13:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OJ has always been completely open about his sexuality. This is part of his public perception. He was famously attacked by homophobic thugs leaving a gay pub. The idea that anyone would try to hide OJ's orientation is pretty bizarre. Why would anybody want to do this? It's not 1955. --Ef80 (talk) 18:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This relatively short article already mentions or alludes to the fact that Jones is gay three times: under #Columnist, broadcaster and writer (Jones (who himself is gay)), #Political activism (Jones and some friends were attacked outside a London pub in a homophobic attack), and #Personal life (Jones registered a civil partnership with a Brazilian doctor, Vitor – Vitor is unambiguously a man's name). So this "concerted campaign" has not been very effective. – Joe (talk) 20:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]