Talk:War of the Galician Succession (1205–1245)

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Short description: Succession war in the Galician-Volhynian principality

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About the table

Maybe we'll create a table where we'll include the main battles and campaigns of the war? It obviously won't be superfluous. @Polish Piast Dushnilkin (talk) 20:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion this is not a good idea better to create another article on this topic, you could expand the campaignbox Polski Piast from Poland § (talk) 12:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As you wish Dushnilkin (talk) 14:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You'll move the article to mainspace because this Draft will be checked for a long time? Polski Piast from Poland § (talk) 14:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved it, please add the tags. Dushnilkin (talk) 14:38, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have submitted the article to good and added sources. Now wait for someone to check it out Polski Piast from Poland § (talk) 18:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

B-class review

@Piotrus You would check this article if it meets the conditions for B class and in terms of content if the text is well written for readers who do not understand the topic? Polski Piast from Poland § (talk) 17:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Polish Piast Seems fine. Note the disambig from Metropolis of Kiev (I recommend enabling the gadget in Preferences to highlight them in orange). Then ask for B-class review at WP:MILHIST (WPPOLAND no longer does it - I was the only one who did it few years back and stopped due to nobody caring to help out, or ask - your request is the first one in many years...). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Possible WP:OR and WP:SYNTH issues

I'd like to compliment Polish Piast and Dushnilkin again on writing this article. It's a good effort on an important period of Eastern European military history. Nevertheless, I am concerned about WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. None of the English names bolded in the lead section yield results when you Google them. Can these names be found in the sources cited? This is the main reason why I hesitated to write this article myself. You can find sources for individual facts, but maybe not an overarching 1205–1245 narrative. The equivalent ruwiki and ukwiki articles have the same issues. They can cite sources for individual events, but not for names given to this conflict, nor the overarching periodisation.

Of course, it makes sense to regard this as the narrative of Danylo Romanovych rising to power after the fall of his father in 1205, but we should be aware that this is only one perspective of many. Nevertheless, it is also the perspective taken by the main primary source of the events, the Galician–Volhynian Chronicle (GVC), and therefore not without merit, but also not without its problems. If there are actual sources calling this "the forty year's war" or something, then the matter could be resolved fairly quickly, but I haven't seen such sources. That is why I held back from writing this article myself for several years. I hope its existence now can be justified vis-a-vis WP:SYNTH. Good day. NLeeuw (talk) 07:20, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]