Talk:Zoe Smith

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GA Review

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Nominator: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 23:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Arconning (talk · contribs) 07:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I will be reviewing this, comments will probably be finished in the next 72 hours! Finally another weightlifter GAN! Arconning (talk) 07:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I sadly have to WP:QUICKFAIL, per criteria 1a, 1b, and 2a. If you plan on re-nominating, you could ping me and I am willing to review it as I'm a big fan of weightlifting. :)

Prose and MoS

Issues I've seen from a short glance:

1. Section about the 2012 Summer Olympics is unsourced, and it's the only part of the body that has imperial conversions. As Olympic weightlifting only uses kilograms (countries that typically use imperial measurements like the United States also use kilograms in the sport), it should probably only use metric measurements based on MOS:CONVERSIONS as the primary units are as such in this situation.
2. Section about Other results should probably be omitted and merged within the Career section, at least stating the lifts that she has done (i.e. snatch, clean and jerk, and the total) + her placement.
3. Some information is outdated, an example is her bodyweight in the infobox. The International Weightlifting Federation [1] cites her weight as 58.06 kilograms at her latest competition.
4. Mentions of weightlifter/weightlifting should be wikilinked to Olympic weightlifting.
5. Formats:

• Weightlifting medals in infoboxes would probably only include total lifts (which are considered as the major medals in competition) but is on a case-by-case basis like Tham Nguyen that also features her clean and jerk medal as it is notable for being the first Irish senior medal in the European Championships. (Though I do have a COI as I made that article)
• Medals are formatted gold to bronze, not per year. Though if there are two medals that are the same color, oldest medal would place higher. Also the women's parts in the medalboxes should be omitted as it's already mentioned that Smith competes in women's weightlifting.

GA Review

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Nominator: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 16:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: It is a wonderful world (talk · contribs) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

It looks as though the problems that caused it to quickfail on the first nomination have been addressed. I have started my review below. It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

@Arconning I thought I'd ping you since you mentioned you would welcome reviewing this in its previous review. If you would like, we could co-review? It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

@It is a wonderful world Yello! I probably cannot as I am quite busy with my school works ^^ Arconning (talk) 10:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

All good, best of luck with school It is a wonderful world (talk) 14:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @BennyOnTheLoose, I have reviewed the prose and most other things. I will wait until the concerns have been addressed before doing the spot check. It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:09, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, It is a wonderful world. Hopefully I've addressed your points so far, but let me know if I need to revisit anything. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @BennyOnTheLoose I am happy with all your amendments and/or explanations. The spot check found only one minor issue which I fixed myself. I had a final read through of some of the paragraphs and I think the prose was definitely GA standard. Great work on this well researched and interesting article! It is a wonderful world (talk) 11:50, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Prose (Criteria 1a, 1b, 4) clock

Lead

Looks good :)

Early life

Her birth name in the infobox is given as "Zoë Smith" with the diacritic on the e. If this is correct, firstly it needs a source and secondly it should be either used in the article consistently, or mentioned in the Early Life section. It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Looking at sources, I don't think there should be a diacritic and so have removed it.

I think "De Lucy primary school" should be capitalised even though it isn't in the source. It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Amended.

In 2005, aged 12, Smith was training at the Europa Gym as a gymnast: Most readers will have no idea what Europa Gym is, so it should either be cut, given a brief definition or linked. I am in favor of cutting it and replacing with something like "local gym". It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Amended.

was in a different part of the building and was seeking female competitors: Conciseness, and this somewhat conflicts with the later part of the paragraph. It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Amended.

Suggest linking "Greenwich" It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Done.

Still aged 12, Smith was rated the fourth-best female weightlifter in the UK.: No way this is true, I think the source means fourth best twelve year old, and since this is a WP:EXCEPTIONAL claim, it needs better sourcing than one news report. It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Removed. She was second to Breeze at the UK senior championship in 2010, which is consistent with the source's "By 14, she was No2, behind the two-times Commonwealth champion Michaela Breeze." but actually if it's a claim about her weight class then there were probably only a handful of active competitors anyway.

Early career

Smith won at the South East County Championships It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Amended.

What is a "major competition"? It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure there is a definition. Removed for now - the alternative would be to find furtehr sources describing it as such.

The first paragraph has loads of exceptional claims, which need better sourcing than singular news reports. It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Hopefully this has been addressed, but let me know anything you think needs further sourcing.

Smith won at the South East County Championships, her first major competition, and was selected for the 2008 Commonwealth Youth Games where she was the youngest member of the English team, and won the gold medal in the 53 kg category.: WP:CINS says the commas by the "and" words should be eliminated, but then the sentence would be borderline unreadable, so it really needs to be broken up. It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Split.

During 2008, she set national records 98 times across junior and senior classes, ending the year holding all junior and senior records for the 53 kg weight category, with the exception of the clean and jerk record, and, in the 58 kg category, every record that she could as someone aged under 18: Its unclear whether "in the 58 kg category, every record that she could as someone aged under 18" refers to an exception or more records she owns. Generally these sorts of ambiguities arise when using long sentences punctuated by only commas. It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Split.

competing against athletes up to four years older: Slightly lacks neutrality. I suggest ", competing in the ##–## age category". It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Amended.

She was selected as the 2011 School Sport Matters Female Pupil of the year, and was a co-presenter for the award to the State School of the Year at the 2012 School Sport Matters ceremony: Only include this if these awards are notable, and if they are, they should be redlinked. It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Looks like these don't get much coverage. Removed.

2012 Olympics and following years

was chosen to represent Great Britain at the 2012 Summer Olympics in London as part of Team GB: Conciseness, no need to repeat information It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Amended.

Since 2018

she was permitted to have an epidural: It's unclear what an "epidural" means here. Pain relieving medication? It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Amended, with a different link.

on Smith's Wikipedia article: This is pretty funny, but I don't think "Wikipedia" needs to be linked. It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

De-linked.

Suggest linking "UK Sport" It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Done.

Coaching and preparation

Looks good :)

Media appearances

Smith was a guest on the BBC One quiz show Question of Sport in 2012, 2014, and 2023: Shouldn't it be "A Question of Sport"? It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

It was known as just "Question of Sport from 2021 to 2023"; could be amended to reflect that.

She featured in British Olympic Dreams on BBC One in 2012,[42] and alongside fellow weightlifters Hannah Powell and Helen Jewell in Girl Power: Going for Gold on BBC Three the same year.: WP:CINS It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:CINS is an essay, not a policy or guideline. But I've removed the comma.

Can "British Olympic Dreams" be linked to Olympic Dreams (TV series)? It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I spent a bit of time looking into this and I don't think there's quite enough evidence to do that, but it does look quite possible that they are related.

Later in 2012, she spoke on BBC radio and television about dealing with critical comments about her not conforming to a typical physique: The double "about" makes his hard to follow It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Reworded, but happy to hear a better alternative.

, in which celebrities in recreated environments from historical times: Doesn't make sense It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Reworded, but happy to hear a better alternative.

Major competition results

Link "Delhi" for consistency It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Done.

Sources clock

Health/formatting (Criterion 2a) clock

Most of the URLs need URL status parameters, a lot are dead and [7] has been usurped. It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I think I've udated these - let me know about any exceptions. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:40, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

They look good It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:38, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

It would be extremely helpful if URLs could be found for some of the unlinked newspaper sources. It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't know any way to link to The Times, The Sunday Times or the Daily Mirror without subscriptions. If there is any particular source you want to review I can email the relevant article. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:40, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I will want to have a look at [13] and [14], it would be great if you could email them.

Regarding paywalls, I guess it is just a stylistic preference of mine that they be linked anyways. I feel it leaves a lot more to work with towards locating a source. Its up to you as to whether you add them or not though, it certainly isn't a GA criteria. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I added urls where I could find them. Looks like some of the older ones are not on the newspapers' sites.

Reliability (Criterion 2b) clock

The newspapers pose no issues. The less reliable sources (athlete websites and small news publications) only used to verify simple non-exceptional claims, so no issues here.

Spot check (Criteria 2b, 2c, 2d) clock

Spot check based on this version.

[3]: Y

[4a]: Y but URL status is wrong, meaning you don't see her latest info through the archive link. I fixed this.

[6d, 13]: Y

[10b]: Doesn't support the bit about representing Greenwich

Added a ref.

[14a]: Y

[14b, 15, 16]: Y

[24]: Y

[18]: Y

[31, 32]: Y

[37]: Y

[41]: Y

[46b]: Y

Copyvio (Criterion 2d) Y

No copyvio issues found by Earwig or the spot check.

Scope (Criteria 3a, 3b) Y

Doesn't seem to be any major omissions.

Stable (Criterion 5) Y

Media Y

Tags (Criterion 6a) Y

Captions (Criterion 6b) Y

where she finished first, ahead of Laxmi N and Akther Fayema: Needs a source, and is it possible to get the last name of Laxmi? It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Ranu Bala Chanu Yumnam won the gold medal, Seen Lee took the silver.: Needs a source, and can Ranu Bala Chanu Yumnam be linked? It is a wonderful world (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Added refs and the link. I couldn't find Laxmi's last name.

Suggestions (not needed for GA promotion)

There is some inconsistency in the linking of publishers/newspapers.

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Did you know nomination

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Zoe Smith

• ... that weightlifter Zoe Smith (pictured) was nicknamed "Pablo", after the Olympic gold medal winner Pablo Lara, who had a reputation for being lazy?

• Source: Anna Kessel, "Wise Zoe Smith needs a lift after weighty issue is brought to the fore", The Guardian, 15 January 2011

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Grand Army Plaza (Manhattan)
• Comment: Suggestions for ALT hooks are welcome.

Improved to Good Article status by BennyOnTheLoose (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 50 past nominations.

BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough (GA on 20 December); Meets the requirement of length; Sourced, neutral, free of copyright violations; The image provided is free, used within the article and clear; The hook is cited and interesting.

I found another alt hook potential within the article, that is:

• ALT1:" ... that British weightlifter Zoe Smith (pictured) broke 98 national records in 2008?"
• ALT2:" ... that in 2008, British weightlifter Zoe Smith (pictured) broke 98 national records across the junior and senior categories?"

The source for both the hooks is The Independent which is the inline citation used in the article. It is also mentioned in The Times and many other newspapers. AmateurHi$torian (talk) 08:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, AmateurHi$torian. Those ALT hooks are fine by me. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)