Template talk:NFLD

On 17 December 2024, it was proposed that this page be moved from Template:NF to Template:NFLD. The result of the discussion was moved.

Copies of this template from Spanish Wikipedia

If you find this template at the bottom of an article, it is probable that the article was copied from the Spanish Wikipedia, where this template is used to pull biographical data from Wikidata and apply categories based on the year of birth and death. This template can be removed from such articles. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:40, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 December 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. There seems to be no objections to either moving this template or merging it to {{NL}}, but there's also no outright support for the merge (all three editors responding to that point either had no objection or weren't sure on whether moving or merging was better). I've gone ahead with the move for now, and I'll leave implementing the merge to any editor who wants to; if a redirect to {{NL}} is kept, it would be better for it to be from {{NFLD}} regardless. (closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 18:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:NF → Template:NFLD – Most Canadian provinces have just one flag template named with the province's two-letter postal abbreviation as the template name; this one is a special case because the province's name was changed from just "Newfoundland" to Newfoundland and Labrador in 2001, necessitating separate "NF" and "NL" templates because the province name next to the (same) flag needs to be two different things based on whether it's a pre-2001 or post-2001 context.
However, because the Spanish Wikipedia uses the template name "NF" as its basic "formatting the vital statistics of people on biographical articles" (birth year, death year, defaultsort name, etc.) template, there ends up being a constant need to monitor this template for incorrect "vital stats" uses on articles, drafts and user sandbox pages that have been translated or just copy-pasted over from Spanish.
So because of that extenuating circumstance, I believe that there's a substantive case for treating this template as a special case that varies from the titles of its other provincial siblings to avoid that problem — and since "NF" is an old, no longer used postal abbreviation rather than the current one, the variant won't be nearly as difficult to justify as it would have been if the conflict were affecting "NL".
Accordingly, I propose that this template use the province's original postal abbreviation "NFLD" instead of the two-letter transitional form "NF", with all of its (thankfully not that many) uses updated to the new name, and "NF" not retained as a redirect so that we stop having to deal with the flag of Newfoundland being wrongly placed at the bottom of Spanish and Mexican and Latin American biographies.
Alternatively, if there's a way that "NL" could be coded to enable a "Newfoundland and Labrador" vs. "Newfoundland" switch, we could just add that and move all the NF uses to NL-with-switch, but I wouldn't know how to do that (or even if it's possible), although it might even be a better solution than moving this if it is possible. Bearcat (talk) 18:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm probably the only one using this template, as I use it in articles on old curling tournaments. So, I'm OK with the move if it makes other people's lives easier.-- Earl Andrew - talk 20:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, in favor of moving. GoodDay (talk) 04:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was here to close this RM as moved but then you say that merging is preferred over moving. Just to let you know that you can actually merge it into {{NL}} with the following code:

{{flag|Newfoundland and Labrador|name={{#ifeq: {{yesno-no|{{{nf|}}}}} | yes | Newfoundland | Newfoundland and Labrador}}}}

You'd have to use {{NL|nf=yes}} to use the Newfoundland text. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 07:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearcat, CX Zoom, GoodDay, and Earl Andrew: should/can this be implemented? I was also coming around to close this RM, but I see no need to actually move the template if the preferred solution is a merge. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 01:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No objections against moving or merging. GoodDay (talk) 03:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objections either way. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 04:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Skarmory Are you still gonna close this? Toadspike [Talk] 08:46, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Toadspike: Yeah; been waiting a bit to see if anyone else chimes in because nobody seems to have a real preference between moving and merging, but I think it's been long enough at this point. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 17:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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@Skarmory: I don't understand your deletion rationale. Why shouldn't this redirect remain? voorts (talk/contributions) 21:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Voorts: Issues with people pasting over pages from es.wiki, where {{NF}} is an important template. It was the main reason the requested move was started (you can read the full rationale in the move request). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 01:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]