User talk:Epicgenius/Archive/2025/Jan

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Happy New Year to you, Epicgenius!

	Happy New Year!
	Hello Epicgenius: Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels? Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary blisters. Wil540 art (talk) 14:51, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Happy New Year elves}} to send this message

Wil540 art (talk) 14:51, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @Wil540 art, and a happy new year to you as well. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Wisconsin Pavilion

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DYK for The Manhasset

On 2 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Manhasset, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the apartment building the Manhasset caught fire in 1999, just as its renovation was being completed? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Manhasset. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, The Manhasset), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 12:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

The Manhasset

I just had to bring the coordinates you put into the The Manhasset article in line with the consensus at WP:OPCOORD and MOS:COORDS. Coordinates should always be D°M′S″. Please follow consensus going forward. Abductive (reasoning) 22:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Abductive, my bad. I did not realize that we were supposed to use DMS coordinates, rather than decimal coordinates. Out of curiosity, was there a recent change to the consensus to not permit decimal coordinates? – Epicgenius (talk) 22:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

If you insist on using the decimal coordinates, WP:OPCOORD and MOS:COORDS want only 4 digits of precision, not the six that you used. But the Wikidatacoord template passes through the coords as DMS, so it is best to use DMS there. Abductive (reasoning) 22:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I see, thanks. – Epicgenius (talk) 22:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Abductive, please stop stating your personal preferences as if they are requirements. It is dishonest and disruptive. If you continue to do so, I will seek admin intervention.

• Nowhere in policy is there any preference for DMS over decimal; both of the links you cited provide instructions for both formats. If you do not wish to see decimal coordinates, they follow the instructions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates#Display preferences so that everything displays as DMS for you.
• {{WikidataCoord}} is capable of displaying DMS or decimal; what we display on Wikipedia articles is not beholden to the storage format of Wikidata.
• WP:COORDPREC recommends five decimal digits of precision for 10-meter-scale objects, and 50-meter-scale objects at some latitudes. (For DMS, it recommends 0.1' for almost everything smaller than 100-meter-scale). OPCOORD says that while 4 digits / 1' is the default, the exact number needed depends on the situation. This building is ~30 meters in its smallest dimension; 5 digits or 0.1' should be used according to those charts. The current coordinates with 1' precision are well away from the center of the building.

Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Says the only other editor who cares about coordinates. Abductive (reasoning) 01:11, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Wisconsin Pavilion

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Your GA nomination of Hotel Belleclaire

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Your GA nomination of 1939 New York World's Fair

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Guggenheim

Just wondering, what is a "chain-link screen"? Can we clarify? And what are your plans for the hidden comment containing the list of figurative items? -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Also, are you going to put the article up for PR or GA? -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm planning on putting the article up for GA once I flesh out the collection section. I might put it up for PR, too, but likely only after it passes GA (unless you think it would be better to nominate it for PR beforehand). – Epicgenius (talk) 03:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree that you should go ahead with GA as soon as you're satisfied with the collections section, as I think it is speedy a shoe-in for GA. I'd be honored to be co-nom if you like. As for a PR, that will be more interesting, probably, in getting some thoughtful feedback that might help the article get to and through FAC. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I'd be happy to have you as a co-nom for a potential GAN. As for a PR, I suppose we can do that if we want to send it to FAC afterward. Epicgenius (talk) 04:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ssilvers, the chain link screens are basically like chain-link fencing, except they're laid flat. I am going to remove that detail as it's not really relevant,

The hidden comment is a list of some of the notable paintings in the Guggenheim's collection that I've found. I will add sources for these in a bit. – Epicgenius (talk) 03:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I think the chain link is distracting, not important and vaguely disturbing. Sometimes it's better not to know how the cookies are made. :D -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Are we using the serial comma? I prefer not to use it in articles like this, as I think it makes them cluttery with lots and lots of commas ("...pieces A, B, and C, as well as pieces W, X, Y, and Z, and statues like 1, 2, and 3" becomes the easier to read "...pieces A, B and C, as well as pieces W, X, Y and Z, and statues like 1, 2 and 3". -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ssilvers, I used the serial comma because it tends to be commonplace in American English. However, I'm fine without it as long as it is consistent within the article. Epicgenius (talk) 04:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I'd be happy to run through and delete it everywhere if you agree with me that it would be an improvement. I don't want to step on your toes, so let me know what you would prefer. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ssilvers, I have no problem with you doing this. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Done! 'Twas easy. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ssilvers: I was always taught to use semicolons to separate list items that contain commas (see here for a typical writing guide that says so). I would suggest doing so in this case, as it makes the separation unambiguous and allows the clarity of the serial comma to be included. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Semicolons, in this context, are for complex lists that may *also* contain commas. In this case, yes, one could use a semicolon between groupings (after C and Z), but that doesn't change the idea that the sentence would be less cluttered without the serial commas after B, Y and 2. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Just a note; "ref name" tags do not need quotes unless the ref name is multi-word or begins with a number. I prefer to delete the quotes when not needed, again to reduce clutter on the edit screen. Not a big deal if you like them for some reason. -- Ssilvers (talk)

Thanks for the comment @Ssilvers. Funnily enough, when I'm editing in wikitext mode, I typically don't add quotes to ref names. However, the quote marks are automatically added whenever I use VisualEditor or whenever I autogenerate a reference from Citer. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Darn bots! :D -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hotel Belleclaire

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Your GA nomination of 1939 New York World's Fair

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Your GA nomination of University Village (Manhattan)

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Your GA nomination of Hotel Belleclaire

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DYK for Kings Theatre (Brooklyn)

On 4 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kings Theatre (Brooklyn), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that there were at least seven unsuccessful attempts to redevelop New York City's Kings Theatre before it reopened in 2015? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kings Theatre (Brooklyn). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Kings Theatre (Brooklyn)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

DYK for Bronx General Post Office

On 4 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bronx General Post Office, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Bronx General Post Office's roof once had a shooting range? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bronx General Post Office. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Bronx General Post Office), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

– 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 12:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bronx General Post Office

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Your GA nomination of Grand Army Plaza (Manhattan)

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