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Happy editing! Jay8g [V•T•E] 22:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please explain this markup?

Geographer Carl O. Sauer, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Norse_colonization_of_North_America&diff=1266224293&oldid=1266194794 Thanks. Doug Weller talk 19:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure of the question. Is there an error somewhere? Rockawaypoint (talk) 19:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s this: Geographer Carl O. Sauer, I don’t understand it. Doug Weller talk 20:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What don't you understand? I see "...Geographer Carl O. Sauer" and a pop up note about him. Rockawaypoint (talk) 20:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have you had other accounts?

That markup is very unusual. Doug Weller talk 21:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No other accounts. But what is unusual? I see "Carl O. Sauer" as hypertext and it goes to this link- Carl O. Sauer Rockawaypoint (talk) 21:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The markup is. I've never seen it before, and neither have other experienced editors I asked. Hard to figure out how you learned it. Doug Weller talk 15:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

January 2025

Hello, I'm Doug Weller. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Talk:Norse colonization of North America that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Doug Weller talk 16:03, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Talk:Norse colonization of North America. Thank you. Doug Weller talk 16:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please point to the specific comment that might be a problem. I think that some of the comments made in my direction were not exactly civil, but I definitely would like to see everything stay that way. Its very hard to navigate thru the messages, and my eyes don't work so well anymore! Rockawaypoint (talk) 16:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please read over your comments again, if it isn't obvious ask again. But It is. Doug Weller talk 17:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but it would be best to get a link from you... picking the right message would be hard with bad eyesight. Rockawaypoint (talk) 17:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"I would also revert as undue adding an entire paragraph from a 44 year old document. Simonm223 (talk) 2:23 pm, Today (UTC+0)Reply

Isn't that just your biased opinion? All the argument here that Carl Sauer is not reliable source about the Norse in North America is completely groundless. See the chapter by Sauer in "American History and the Social Sciences." Sauer is still highly respected today, dead or alive.

American history and the social sciences : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

"....content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." Rockawaypoint (talk) 2:39 pm, Today (UTC+0)Reply" Doug Weller talk 17:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"'Are you sure you want to stick with that idea?.... that "Geography" does not apply here? That sir, rates only as your "opinion". Rockawaypoint (talk) 11:46 pm, Yesterday (UTC+0)Reply" Doug Weller talk 17:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So what is un-civil in anything I wrote? Rockawaypoint (talk) 17:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have time for this. Doug Weller talk 17:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do now. Calling someone biased is unacceptable. As is scare quotes around "opinion". Doug Weller talk 16:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Johannes Kristoffer Tornøe moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Johannes Kristoffer Tornøe. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit for review" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:41, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, yes there is much to do and add... I was wondering how to work on the article as a "stub"- I believe that is what a new article is called, but I'm a total newbie. Question... is Tornoe's listing at the Norwegian Polar Institute considered a "reliable source"? He is written up as a 'authority' in John R.L. Anderson's 1967 book "Vinland Voyage." Erik Wahlgren also refers to Tornoe a few times in his 1986 book "Vikings and America". Generally speaking, Tornoe is not that well known today, but he should be. Rockawaypoint (talk) 03:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You should ask about sources at WP:RSN. And as it stands, your draft is really not very good. You need to read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography to see what a biography should look like. Also read WP:LEAD. Doug Weller talk 08:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's not really an encyclopedia article. That kind of content could be polished for any number of websites, a blog, or one of the various east coast newspapers, but isn't really trending towards a reference biography. There's a great essay for writing articles from scratch at Wikipedia:Writing Wikipedia articles backward, if you're still interested. Also, the license for the image at the commons seems implausible. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 20:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He died in 1970, so the image was taken before that. When? Doug Weller talk 08:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't use someone's biography to push your pov

You are a very enthusiastic well read editor, but you are also a single purpose account here to push your point of view. You also have shown that you don't understand our policy on reliable sources. Doug Weller talk 09:10, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Determining if you can use sources

See [1] for a good guide. Doug Weller talk 08:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm looking at that info about 'Reliable Sources'. Seems Johannes Kr.Tornoe will meet the standards. His name [in the publishing field,] turns up in European sources in 1933, 1935, 1937 and in 1944.

In 1935 he had an article published in Norsk Geografisk Tidsskrift - [Norwegian Journal of Geography "Hvitserk Og Blaserk", Pages 429-443 |, Volume 5, 1935 - Issue 6 {"Published online: 30 Jul 2008"}

This article was partially translated and covered/reviewed in the Geographic Journal in 1937 under the short title of "Hvitserkr" The Geographical Journal 1937-06: Vol 89 Iss 6 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

For the article he produced in 1944, try this link. or this might lead direct to the full article, -

https://brage.npolar.no/npolar-xmlui/handle/11250/217292...

Meddelelser Nr. 56 "Lysstreif over Noregsveldets Historie" (with summary in English) av J. Kr. Tornoe I Paperback – January 1, 1944 [English summary starts on page 207 in the original 1944 publication.]

Tornoe's two books were published in 1964 +1965. "Early American History: Norsemen Before Columbus", [Universitetsforlaget, Oslo] and, "Columbus in the Arctic? and the Vineland Literature", [A.W. Broggers Boktrykkeri A/S, Oslo]

Tornoe then turns up in J.R.L Anderson's 1967 book [Funk and Wagnalls] "Vinland Voyage." He is mentioned ten or more times and is highly praised by Anderson as an authority.

He turns up again in Erik Wahlgrens's 1986 "Vikings in America" The Vikings and America (Ancient Peoples & Places): Wahlgren, Erik: 9780500021095: Amazon.com: Books

If you have that book, see pages - 144,149,150,151,156,163,184.

His books were reviewed a few times in the 1960s. More recently some other writers such as Kirsten Seaver have been dismissive of Tornoe, but I believe it's fair to say she was unduly harsh on him. He has been "...regarded as authoritative in relation to the subject...", as taken from the line below from Wikipedia. Have to run and do other stuff right now, but if I had more time, I probably could list a few more sources of different kinds.

...I just found this one online, - "Lands that Hold One Spelbound: A Story of East Greenland". By Spence Calgary, Alberta: University of Calgary Press, 2008.

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from Wikipedia-

"...Reliable sources may be published materials with a reliable publication process, authors who are regarded as authoritative in relation to the subject, or both. These qualifications should be demonstrable to other people." Rockawaypoint (talk) 13:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

J. Kr. Tornoe, cited in 1979, "Polar Mirages as Aids to Norse Navigation

Polarforschung 49 (2): 173-187, 1979 "Polar Mirages as Aids to Norse Navigation"

W. Lehn, I. Schroeder
Published 1979
Environmental Science

[First two paragraphs from the article...]

"Introduction; The general hypothesis that polar mirages may in same way have had an influence on the migrations of early peoples has periodically appeared both in anthropological and historical works (JONES, 1964:1; LEE, 1968:28-29; TAYLOR, 1971:79). However, very little has been done to find and analyze specific examples in an attempt to identify precisely how the mirage was used. The intense scientific activity in Greenland between 1910and 1935 provided scientists an opportunity to observe the frequent refractive anomalies that occur in these regions. These observations led to numerous attempts at scientific analysis and generated a great deal of interest in the field of atmospheric optics (WEGENER, 1914, 1918; NOLKE, 1917; WURSCHMIDT, 1919; PERNTER & EXNER, 1922; KOCH & WEGENER, 1930; HUMPHREYS, 1940; etc.). Familiar with these effects and aware of the latest scientific evidence, TORN0E (1935) made the first serious attempt to integrate this evidence into the interpretation of Norse history. Nevertheless, a general lack of familiarity and inadequate computational resources hindered the application of theory to relevant situations..." Rockawaypoint (talk) 17:05, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]