Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of NFL career passing touchdowns leaders/archive1

List of NFL career passing touchdowns leaders

Featured list candidates/List of NFL career passing touchdowns leaders/archive1

Nominator(s): ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is my fifth National Football League FLC, coming after List of Atlanta Falcons seasons. It was based on a few other NFL record FLs, with a slightly shortened lede per talk page discussions. This is my first FL in almost a year (and was intended to be nominated a while ago lol) so I may be a little rusty, but I believe it fits all the criteria. Thanks in advance to everyone who provides their feedback :) ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from OlifanofmrTennany

I’ll take a further look later but immediately all I see is in the tables “ref.” Should be “ref(s).” As there is usually more than one citation.Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 08:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the historical leader you should add an overall number. Kinda like on episode lists (example)
If its constantly being updated maybe add Template:Dynamic list
I would remove (AFL) as the acronym is nowhere else on the page.

That's all I got ping me when done. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 00:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@OlifanofmrTennant:

Done all except adding the dynamic list template. I feel like the wording on that template is a little off, as the list will always be complete (we have all the numbers), just it'll be updated occasionally for a few months during the season. ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the late reply I could've sworn I already did this but Support Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment

If you sort the table by team, a player's total career touchdowns is shown against every team he played for, which kinda gives the impression that, say, Brett Favre had 508 touchdowns in one year with the Atlanta Falcons. Not sure how to get round this, though..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Huh, weird. I'll see if there is a way to fix this. ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More comments

"Brady also is the record holder" - I think "Brady is also the record holder" would read more naturally
"The longest career passing touchdown record holder was Fran Tarkenton," => "The longest-standing career passing touchdown record holder is Fran Tarkenton,"
"Since 2020 (6 years)" - we are literally one day into 2025, so is it really six years.....?
"Tittle's 30 touchdown passes in the All-America Football Conference (AAFC) aren't included in this total," => "Tittle's 30 touchdown passes in the All-America Football Conference (AAFC) are not included in this total,"
That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:42, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude:

Done all. Also, for the table sorting thing, there is no fix besides placing all the teams in the same cell. I think the status quo is better than that solution, what do you think? ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead. You have captions for the legends but not the main tables.
Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. This is not a full review, and does not result in a support vote. --Pres N 14:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@PresN:

Done ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

File:Tom Brady 2015.JPG - CC BY 3.0
File:Drew Brees 2015.jpg - CC BY-SA 2.0, link leads to a 404 page which needs to be fixed
File:Peyton Manning passing.jpg - CC BY-SA 2.0
File:Aaron Rodgers OCT2022 (cropped).jpg - CC BY-SA 2.0
File:CatchyOliphant.jpg - Public Domain
File:Fran Tarkenton.png - Public Domain
Every image besides Tom Brady's needs alt text for accessibility.
Images have suitable captions and are relevant to the article.
- ULPS Here are my comments. Arconning (talk) 10:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Arconning: Changed or

Done all. ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Good luck on the FL! Arconning (talk) 15:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Jpeeling

For Aaron Rodgers, the source indicates he has played 248 not 247 matches?
For Steve Young, the source indicates he played until 1999 not 1997?
For both Tony Romo and Carson Palmer, the source indicates they started in 2004 not 2003?
For Dak Prescott, the ref link takes you to Dave Preston?
For Joe Flacco, Philadelphia Eagles is not listed as a team on the source, did he appear for them and should they be listed?
Current ref 61 used throughout the second table takes you a passing yards list, should this be a passing touchdown list?
For Y. A. Tittle, should the games played be 179 rather than 204 as 25 appearances were in the 1948 and 1949 seasons which are not part of NFL statistics?
In the progression table, you have Y. A. Tittle as being a one-time leader with 242 touchdowns, which includes the 30 that were not included for the first table, is there a way of correcting this inconsistency between the two tables? JP (Talk) 12:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jpeeling:

Done all. For the last, I ended up changing it to remove the 30, it is quite annoying that football reference doesn't include it separately but oh well. ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eagles has been removed for Flacco on the second table but not the first. Do you have any thoughts on the penultimate point regarding Tittle's appearances? JP (Talk) 11:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, got that. I think considering the NFL themselves don't consider AAFC to be part of their stats for whatever reason, we shouldn't include them on an explicitly NFL list, so I ended up removing it. ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A few extra thoughts:

The second table lists the top 26, is there any significant reason for this being the cut off, was it originally a top 25?
Does the third table require a key?
The annual passing touchdown list only begins at 1932 and the lead states "The NFL did not begin keeping official records until the 1932 season." so is there any doubt over the accuracy of the numbers for the early progressive record holders? JP (Talk) 14:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man im josh

This review is based on this version of the article.

Source review: Pending

Reliable enough for the information being cited
Consistent date formatting
Consistent and proper reference formatting
Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
Spot checks on sources match what they are being cited for

Feedback:

There were a number of issues with row scopes which I've gone ahead and cleaned up (lots of "rowgroup" used as the scope instead of simply "row", and some "row" used instead of "rowgroup". There was also a bunch of "!row=scope"
Added a missing column scope
Merged a duplicate reference
Should have more than 2 images for a list of this length which includes this many names.
Ref 6 was the same reference twice in the URL field, making it inaccessible, I fixed this.
Ref 1 – Add a date
Ref 1 – Should be The Athletic as the source, not The New York Times
Ref 1 – Add the url-access parameter to note that this story is accessed in full with a subscription by adding |url-access=subscription
Ref 3 – Note link as dead
Ref 52 – Link to The Coffin Corner and Professional Football Researchers Association
Ref 53 – Add |via=[[Google Books]] to the reference
Ref 61 – Inconsistent with other PFR sources, link to Pro Football Reference intstead Pro-Football-Reference.com
...classify as running plays. – are classified as running plays would probably be better wording.
I think the lead could more closely resemble List of NFL annual passing touchdowns leaders, the list that you and I co-nommed back in 2023, and might be better written to explain passing touchdowns.
Legend could benefit from changing "Active" to "Active player". "Active" feels like it lacks context to me. Active at what? Fitzpatrick is an active commentator.
Notes could benefit from using player full names and linking to the player's wiki page for those who ends up looking at the note section.

Please ping me when the above has been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:21, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh: Think I got everything. Note for the images, I removed them initially as they cause some formatting issues on smaller screens (basically they push the table to the bottom, leaving a ton of white space). I'm not sure how widespread this issue is, but it happens on my laptop. I added two back as a kind of middle ground. ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:28, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]