Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Wilsonville, Oregon/1
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The "History" section ends in 2007, and I think more recent information should be included. The "Demographics" section is largely uncited and contains a lot of information about the 2000 and 2010 censuses. I think this section can be reduced and should be cited more effectively. The lead needs to be updated with the latest demographic information. There are some uncited statements in other areas of the article not indicated above. Z1720 (talk) 17:33, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as all of the issues have now been addressed due to the hardwork of various editors. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 22:36, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- @DaniloDaysOfOurLives: I added cn tags to a couple places in the article that still need citations. I suggest that the "History" section be broken up with Level 3 headings for readability. Z1720 (talk) 22:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like some slight issues remain with citing. I'm also curious why the voting history begins in 2014 and ends in 2018. I don't have any strong view for when the history should begin, but it feels like it should end in 2024, no? Happy to keep this open as work continues. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 16:51, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @DaniloDaysOfOurLives: I added cn tags to a couple places in the article that still need citations. I suggest that the "History" section be broken up with Level 3 headings for readability. Z1720 (talk) 22:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Aboutmovies: It looks like only two {{citation needed}} tags remain. I looked briefly but wasn't able to find a source to verify the following sentence in the history section: In 2007, the old city hall building was turned into a new public works and police department. The following sentences in the geography section could be verified with a map, but I couldn't find a good online source to verify: Coffee Lake Creek is on the west side of the city and includes Coffee Lake and the Coffee Lake Wetlands. The foothills of the Chehalem Mountains lie to the west of Wilsonville, with most land within the city on level ground. Have you searched for sources yet to verify these two claims? Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 02:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Lord Bolingbroke: I have provided a source for the city hall part, but I disagree that one beyond a map is really needed for simple geography. While long ago I thought everything that wasn't written (as in, actual text) was OR, but after a few years (and I know you are not a new editor either) I moved off that hill. My thoughts are similar to those in this essay, as it is not synthesis or original research to read a map for what a map says. Any contour map shows it is a flat area (hell most of it is in a floodplain) and a physical map shows were the geographic features are. Further, WP:CITE (a content guideline) does not require citations for everything, only per the lede: "Wikipedia's verifiability policy requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations, anywhere in article space." Does anyone (besides perhaps flat earthers) actually challenge Wilsonville is to the east of those mountains and those features are where they are? Aboutmovies (talk) 05:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Aboutmovies: For what it's worth, I agree with you about maps being acceptable to verify geographic features. However, it's probably better to use a text source for ease of verifiability (all else being equal), since not all maps use the same names for features or include exactly the same info. For example, I'm not able to find a "Coffee Lake" on Google Maps or the GNIS database, just Coffee Lake Creek and the adjacent wetlands. I will remove mention of the lake, which does nota appear to exist, unless you have any objection. Everything else is easily verifiable through Google Maps and I'm happy to keep as is. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 07:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Lord Bolingbroke: I have provided a source for the city hall part, but I disagree that one beyond a map is really needed for simple geography. While long ago I thought everything that wasn't written (as in, actual text) was OR, but after a few years (and I know you are not a new editor either) I moved off that hill. My thoughts are similar to those in this essay, as it is not synthesis or original research to read a map for what a map says. Any contour map shows it is a flat area (hell most of it is in a floodplain) and a physical map shows were the geographic features are. Further, WP:CITE (a content guideline) does not require citations for everything, only per the lede: "Wikipedia's verifiability policy requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations, anywhere in article space." Does anyone (besides perhaps flat earthers) actually challenge Wilsonville is to the east of those mountains and those features are where they are? Aboutmovies (talk) 05:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)