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Cancelled/abandoned aircraft projects

I've been wondering if perhaps Category:Cancelled aircraft projects and its subcategories should be (1) all standardized on either "Cancelled" or "Abandoned" and (2) perhaps should be trimmed to only include unbuilt/unflown aircraft, which then wouldn't be in the aircraft-by-type-nation-and-decade categories. Thoughts? The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think they may have been a subtle difference between the two that has been lost in time, I believe abandoned were aircraft flown but never developed and cancelled never actually flew. But I agree we should just make this unflown projects perhaps under cancelled. MilborneOne (talk) 10:38, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That would make sense. At the same time though, that' makes 'abandoned' really fuzzy in some cases (the Fisher P-75 Eagle, for instance, went into full production! Of five, before being cancelled...). So yeah, I may work on this consolidating the unbuilt types into the Cancelled categories in the future. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have not seen modern sources make such a distinction. In fact, I had assumed based on modern sources that "abandoned" meant paper projects that were not fully developed or an aircraft in any development stage that was literally abandoned by the developer (i.e. a lot of German designs and prototypes when their facilities were overrun by Allied forces), while "canceled" meant development was stopped at a later stage, including after the aircraft was built or flown. - ZLEA _T\^C 23:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll probably go with "abandoned" since IIRC most of that category tree uses it, and it's softer, so to speak (some types were never 'cancelled', they just...faded away). - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with @The Bushranger's logic here: some types were never 'cancelled', they just...faded away. A cancelled project is also abandoned, but an abandoned project is not necessarily cancelled. The word "cancelled" implies that a formal declaration has been made, which is common for military aircraft in peacetime, but it's not always done in war (as outlined above), and I can think of several civilian aircraft programs that obviously ground to a halt but were never publicly cancelled (presumably to protect company leaders from negative publicity). Carguychris (talk) 01:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another example would be a lot of the "Luft '46" type designs - not cancelled but abandoned both for obvious reasons! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Airntd needs tweaking?

Just realised an odd quirk of Template:airntd - when used on "military trainer aircraft" or "military transport aircraft", it points "2010 Russian" to "Russian [x] aircraft" correctly, but when used on "attack aircraft" or "command and control aircraft", it points them to "Soviet".
Correct display: Category:2010s Russian military transport aircraft
Incorrect display: Category:2010s Russian command and control aircraft
Wonder why? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found what seems to be an problem but likely unrelated to your issue. The template has a block of lines from "1930s Soviet" to "2020s Russian" but later has "1930s Soviet" to "2020s Ukrainian" that seems a bit odd but probably OK. There might be something with the "Military" grouping for attack to utility aircraft later in the template. Best of luck! -Fnlayson (talk) 00:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The citation I added does not show on the page (Inside Aircraft specs)

Hi all: The citation of my recent edit is not shown on the page after I saved (inside aircraft specs). Any insights? Thanks! Now wiki (talk) 23:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Check again. Another user moved the citation to the "combat range note" template field and things appears to be working now. -Fnlayson (talk) 00:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for input on military aircraft articles

Hi, I've just posted a request at WP:MILHIST for some help assessing a bunch of articles on prototype military aircraft against the B-class criteria. Any assistance would be welcome. Many thanks - Dumelow (talk) 17:43, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]